These are lovely! They are almost exactly the same size as the bubble-gum capsule tanks we looked at again recently, now the lot of Chris's from which these came, was a Hungarian lot and various clues suggest the bulk of it was Hungarian, so for now that's the 'call' on these!
As you can see; four parts with two little wheel/axle sets and loosely based on a late pattern T34/85, but when I say loosely I mean loosely! They look like Dalek copies of a K9 unit!
Now, Peter Evans gave me several of these, years ago with the message that they were Bulgarian, and with figures only, there was no reason to question that attribution (which would have come with the figures from the seller/hander-on), however, seeing the horses here, and knowing what Hungarian flats/semi-flats tend to look like against their neighbour's output/s, these may well be Hungarian, not just because of the origin of the lots, but those chunky eye-shaped bases.And this is not to call anyone 'wrong', just to adjust the theory to fit the available evidence, and, indeed; I think I may have some more horses somewhere, which is useful as Chris sent a few sets of mounted legs, so when I've put them (Peter's, Chris's, spare horses) all together we'll have another look, and if it's a few years from now, we may have more empirical stuff by then - packaging maybe?
The odd's, now another reason for not accepting 'Hungary' willy-nilly as the origin for all of them are the facts that A) there was a few bits of Western stuff, including some Kinder, in the bag, and B) we've already learnt Progress had factories in Rus, and Bulgaria for certain, and I've been told, Poland and East Germany too, so some of this stuff, or the tools, were passed around the WarPact Bloc.The three mounted figures are nice; a knight and two native American Indians, and match the ancient Romans I've been told were Hungarian, and which usually appear on Hungarian seller's feeds, note the same heavy eye-shaped bases again. While the racing [game?] figure looks eastern too.
But the white plastic French Foreign Legion figure could be either from the Soviet Bloc or French bazaar production? Likewise the yellow driver could be from anywhere, but both might well be Hungarian?
I think the large blue knigh knight may be from further to the East (Booo! Slava Ukraine!), he's a Lido copy/homage, with a touch of paint, but chunkier than the Hong Kong copies we've previously seen here at Small Scale World.
I'm pretty sure these are Hungarian, and further that we visited them briefly when we looked at the Atlantic Fort Riley/Abilene Town a while back (follow the link in that post), and have a possible/probably mark; Kassa György (house of George/George's house/firm? Or; Gregory?) courtesy of Kadmon, the commenter/contributor then. These are copies of Atlantic's 7th cavalry from the General Custer sets, they are larger than the original 1:72nd scale set, so probably reduced from the 1:32nd scale figures, although as Kassa György copied the fort, they may have worked exclusively with the smaller range?Note that there are two poses of horse is present; these have two distinctly different base types, with three stars on the rim of the heavier, formal cartouche sculpts, or thinner unmarked 'cloud' bases.
A nice set which probably isn't Hungarian, being the sort of output more closely associated with Poland, but I've recently learnt from Maciej Jasinski (who's writing a book on the subject) that some of the stuff credited with Poland, was actually imported from East Germany (common borders between the three), so until the book comes out, I'll just sprinkle a light dusting of question marks over these! Obviously copies of the old Airfix Celtic war-band Ancient Britons, the archer had escaped from the pack during the sorting phase and so isn't in all the shots! The card shows ancient Greek/Trojan types and maker/brand is the Polish kiosk supplier Lew Prokofijev, the Polish spelling of Prokofiev.So many thanks to Chris for this little lot, fills a few gaps and builds a better picture of the Hungarian end of things even if it's not all Hungarian, and thanks to Kadmon and Maciej again for their help in the past/elsewhere.
I remember I seen these Atlantic copies in Hungary in 1980's! Definitely out of scale, but I've seen something like fort with them - was it copy of Fort Riley by Atlantic, I'm not sure any more. Probably it was, as if it was something else I would buy it (I had fort Riley already)...
ReplyDeleteYes, if you follow the link to Fort Riley/Abiline, then follow the link to the Hungarian page you'll see it as Fort Henry or Fort Danielson.
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ReplyDeleteThe toys in the first five photos are all Hungarian toys - the bewilderingly diverse background and pattern collection was one of the features here.
The tanks in the first photo were probably some early American pattern - the second photo showed infantrymen and horsemen of the Hungarian Revolutionary Army of 1848-49 - but these horses are older and did not belong to them. They were, in fact, made by the same manufacturer who made the enlarged versions of the Atltantic 1:72 soldier figures in photos 4 and 5 - and those were the horses the hussars were given. In the last picture the cavalcade is complete: the big lvoag, an American Lido, and the legionnaire pattern - at that time the only legionnaire figure in Hungary - was one of the American Marx series.
ReplyDeleteFigures from the pre-20th century can already be found in this volume:
https://www.martinopitz.hu/products/product-page/kadar-jatekkatonai-1/
Cheers Janos! The book looks fantastic, is there an English version of the page, or can you get it on Amazon or something?
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Unfortunately, there is no English site and although you can buy the book in Hungary from any book distributor, as far as I know it is not sold on Amazon. It is worth asking the publisher.
ReplyDeleteOK Janos, well, I'm hoping a mate might find a way, if not I'll address the matter next year - when I'm hopefully settled! It looks like everything I've called Hungarian is, and I don't mean the recent stuff, I mean the stuff a while ago that TJF and Hairband tried to correct to 'Russian' or 'Polish', I know the more recent stuff came from/via a Hungarian. AND, there may be a Hungarian set on here latter today!
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ReplyDeleteIf you request, I will be happy to help you with the definition - janos.bszabo2022@gmail.com