G is for Gygax Monsters - Part III - Hans Postler

I'm pretty sure these are all copies of Holly, rather than Holly product, and from the leery colours of both plastic and casually sprayed paint, the 'Chine' and the bar code, mid-to-late 1980's or more laikely second half of the 1990's? But an interesting chapter in the Gygax Monster story, with most of the monsters in the one set and the possibility that other assortments may have had the missing sculpts?

 

Header card, much of a muchness, and a pure coincidence that Hans Postler and Holly Plastics both have an HP monogram!

 

Bag and contents which we're going to dissect below!

 

Six more conventional dinosaurs, all copies of Holly's products, and, at least five of them (green and brown) also used by whoever produced my favourite childhood set of silicon rubber dinosaurs, which we saw here, in Fleetwood colours. There are soft silicon copies of the Gygax Monsters too, once you start looking for them, they turn-up everywhere, like LB (for Lik Be) astronauts!

 

Two cavemen, also ex-Holly, although originally Marx, MPC or someone!

 

The 'meat & two veg' of the business, seven of the Gygax Monsters, including two named, the Bulette (top left) and Rust Monster (bottom right), the oddest, and hardest to find after the Owlbear, is the Chinese dragon, which I failed to see on the Holly carded set, and had to add, an hour after I published last night, doh!

 

The one I call Gator is called Lizard Man by some people, but as an unnamed 'Gygax', can be whatever you want to call him! Likewise the one which I call Ardvark, some call 'Armadillo' or Armadillo Man.

 

On the subject of naming: some sources mention Kaiju, Ultra Man and 'Pachisaur'/Pachisaurs, but most of the mutterings don't agree with each other, and seem to be people trying too hard to make connections, links or a narrative which really isn't there. A couple of guys, mucking about, chose three monsters, at random, out of a bag, and named them, just the three!

 

In one case Pachisaur seems to be being used just to sell 'merch', while another guy has a very detailed graphic, but the two most important links are greyed-out, because, as he himself admits, it's not clear if they exist as links at all! Another Gygax AD&D monster was called Pachisaur, but doesn't resemble any of the Holly Sculpts closely.

 

Scenics

 

Close-up's of the Phoenix

 

Plastic colours and distribution.

 

Polyethylene play mat.

B is for Bruder . . . Kinder, Hans Postler et al . . .

And to be honest, Giodi should have Kinder's slot above as they made them, and they don't only seem to have supplied Kinder, but other people as well, while my 'third source' is Cose Progetti Promozionali, who may be designers (albeit copyists) as well as importers?

This is a very small sample of the Bruder mini space vehicles, and there are quite a few more, but this is an overview which will call on the past finds of Moonbase Central too! As far as we know Bruder were first with these as part of a wider range of otherwise civil vehicles in a distinctive red-yellow-orange-blue-green scheme.

Woodsy found this set in Rosita branding from Spain, which seems to contain Bruder product in different colours; Bruder state on their website that the confectionery trade were good customers for their small toys, so they clearly did a fair-bit of contract manufacturing.

And here's a Hans Postler set (last image) in standard Bruder colours

And there's more here

While these are the Giodi for Kinder copies, again, not sure it's all of them, but you can see (with the lander) how reverse colour versions are available. Although when I say copies, they are all new vehicle designs, but based on and aping the Bruder colours.

Flight-line; Bruder and two Giodi/Kinder, folding/swing-wings, the Bruder are about 50% bigger by mass, and probably wouldn't fit in Kinder eggs, or at least some of the parts wouldn't?

Giodi clone; the paper slip states Cose Progetti Promozionali (Modena, Italy - 'Promotional project things') and they are straight-out copies, slightly smaller still, you can see a few differences between the Giodi and Cose (bottom right), but they are the same design, and made in China (possibly the Tennison Trading in the links above?) so imports which other capsule providers may have handled.

Interestingly some are copies of Giodi (swing-wing sample), some are copies of the Bruder models - the Lander for instance.

B is for Battle Ground...or is it?

Having now decided to have a Hong Kong small-scale Blog (which I tried back in 2008, but I thought I had to trick Blogger with a separate ID and it all got too complicated!) these will appear on that Blog at some point, both singly and as a group comparison (mirroring this post), but as I loaded this here back in January it can stay.

So; to the nature of 'Generics', a post that could almost as easily be done with 1970's bagged or carded small scale Cowboys & Indians or 1960's dime-store 'penny-whistles', but I'm using these as they were pretty much the swan-song of small-scale 'army men', also: having got out of the army and decided I was old enough to blow my money on what I wanted, I spent a few years hoovering them up as they appeared, so - hopefully - should have most of the variations!

I say rather pompously "so; to the nature of generics" as if I'm about to deliver some great treatise on a grand secret of the Hong Kong toy industry...I'm not! There is no secret, basically, all the figures in this post came from the same source, we just don't know who, and - in point of fact - it's probably not an HK source, it's probably a Chinese one! Indeed, because these appeared as the run-up to handover was looming, they carry neither HK nor China on any of the packaging; itself unusual, nor on the figures bases.

These first four are all 'branded' to Battle Ground; the clear 'generic', although several have stickers on the card or reverse with another ID entirely, while the same sets can come with different cards, and the same brands carry alternate and different-sourced products. All importers (jobbers) - to a man.

The shot shows single and double-pouch header-carded bags, and both single and four-blister bubble-packs. I'm sure that elsewhere other formats could be obtained - as Battle Ground - to order, but these were available in the UK between 1988/9 and about 1998/9 and I should also add that other products in other scales also come in packaging with both types of the Battle Ground artwork - again: as generics or with over-stickers.

As well as stipulating different formats (or accepting them 'off the shelf'), end-users/clients could have customised artwork, again to their own design using the Chinese company's designers, or off-the-shelf graphics or from their own art workers, and here we see the same four-pocket blister attached to three different cards, the French artwork seems to have been lifted or part-lifted from somewhere else, see the white areas round the hand/butt of the gun, this was before digital patches and colour-matching, and as they were budget toys: cheap-cost artwork - whoever was responsible for it - was the order of the day.

Here we see the contents of the single pouch, now with new header-cards and a squarer bags - which are softer PVC. One colour, or several, and note how with the multi-coloured set each colour has been dumped in the bag on top of the last, but the first (bottom) layer seems to be the dregs of several batches!

Mini sets were also available, each with the flag and there is no relationship between the colour of the figures and the design on the flag's sticker, with the same flag accompanying bags of different coloured figures, and different flags being put with the same coloured figures! I have to thank German collector Andreas Dittman for most of these, and they were a bit later than the above dates, he picked them up on the continent about ten years ago, and I then found a few others in one of those glass-shelf partitioned 50p pocket-money displays at/around the same time.

Some of the logos/trademarks connected to these figure's 'brands'. The LB sets are almost certainly from the Glasgow-based Levy Brother's LB Group (correctly: Levy (LB Group) Bros. Ltd.), I seem to recall that they were bought a few years ago by H Grossmann/HGL (their postcodes were a few streets apart!) who have themselves recently been sold, but I'll check that.

The figures are all copies of Matchbox German Infantry and Airfix US Infantry, to which is added a crude version of the old Monogram radio operator, although see the note on the Japanese (2nd following paragraph).

The bases - as mentioned above - are blank, which is as uncommon for Hong Kong products as it is for modern/current Chinese products, suggesting that the originator was either an HK-based company, obtaining finished product from the (then still slightly 'enemy' Communist State) mainland OR already producing on the mainland themselves, but not wanting to admit it (for the same reasons) until the handover of the colony, which actually/eventually happened as these were drying-up in UK shops.

As an exception to the rule, the smaller two-pouch bag has some ex-Airfix Japanese added; these are earlier figures, which I looked at in One Inch Warrior magazine's 7th edition. They are the same size and style (but with sharper-edged bases), and share the wacky colours so will almost certainly come from the same source (which is why they're in the bags!), but were definitely originally issued earlier, as they had been turning-up as loose figures for years(#) before these 1990's figures. Their original HONG KONG mark has been removed for this issue, although the scar is visible on the base. [# When they turned-up previously (and with the full base mark) - it was usually in small numbers, so probably from Christmas crackers, end-of-pier crane-machine bags and/or vending capsules &etc.]

The loose stuff is all in storage at the moment so we'll have to re-use these old pictures from something else to just show that: A) as loose figures they are not that rare (upper arrow - both stacks), but they are not as common as some of the 1960-80's small scale, and: B) they come in various other colours or shades, but green and blue remain the commonest (from the big bags!) also: C), there is a second issue (lower arrow) which are of poorer quality with thinner bases and lots of flash which I haven't tied into specific packaging yet, but they may just be from late versions of some of the sets listed here. These points are - of course - UK-centric; it may be a different story elsewhere.

 

Known Sets
As Battle Ground (generic)
- Single blister pack (J.A.Phillips, 1992)
- Quadruple blister pack (HCF, 1996)
A7/521 - Single pouch bag with header card (Herbert Kees, early 1990’s)
- Double pouch bag with header Card (late 1990's with older 1980's Japanese figures)
As Bestoy (generic)
BES142 - Soldier Set (quadruple blister, an earlier logo was written in baby-blocks)
As HP (Hans Postler, France and Germany)
51353 - Small header-card Bag (French language version*)
As LB Ltd. ('Super Toy Packs'**)
ST-11-2436 - Mini Army (Clown and 3-balloon graphics, blue figures, 1993)
ST-11-2436 - Mini Army (4-balloon graphics, multi-coloured figures, 1994)
ST-11-2436 - Mini Army (4-balloon graphics, blue figures, 1995)
As MGM Super Toy International (France?)
Ref. 2295 - Les Minis Armees (quadruple blister pack)
Other (generic)
- Attack Force Set (multi-blister with AFV's and scenics, late 1980's***)
- Title-less mini pack (France/Germany? Mid-2010's)

* The same packs came with the larger Airfix piracies with striated bases; each bag also has a small-scale Saladin-type armoured car.
* * The same bags were used for very poor 'last generation' Airfix piracies (Russian Infantry and Paratroops) in a pale blue crumbly kind of polyethylene, almost 'scrap plastic'.
*** The same card was previously used for Airfix piracies of an earlier 1980's type, which may make this the earliest use of the later figures - from the artwork re-use.