N is for Not Co-Ma . . . Except the Ones that Are!

Strangely these appeared on Shitestuff the other day, grandly announced to his eager readership by the 'legend' that is TJF (legend in his own lunchtime!) as Co-Ma figures, but . . . err . . . they aren't! Anyway, in the interests of setting things straight (again!) let's look at them here, now . . . and dispel a couple of recent myths!

I bought six (a 'set') of the seven above (we've looked at the gunmetal one - top left - in the past) at the recent PW show in Whitton/Twickenham, and - hurrying (so many bargains, so little time!) - failed to notice until I got them home that in fact half of them were Res Plastic's issues and the other half were the dwarfish copies/piracies of the original Co-Ma Romans and Barbari or (and henceforth-) 'Vikings'.

Knowing (after a call) that they would reappear at Sandown Park I prepared the above drawing (read scribble!) to help sort out any remaining figures (I knew they'd sold well on the day) and hopefully find some of the ones I needed.

Taking the picture above for the hell of it, I realised I didn't actually need the drawing, as I could just load the images of the figures back onto my camera and use that, so no real reason to subject you to my skeletal-zombie figures either, but I have!

Almost total success was achieved with another of the copies secured, and all three of the missing RP's truffle-hunted from the pile! The same Stadsshite post also explained to its readers that some of the figures had holes for weapons (as - of course - the Co-Ma originals did), this too was a failure of TJF's 'knowledge base' . . . and his abilities to study photographs; two of the figures have crude daggers where they used to have ring-hands in the original, which these aren't!

A similar exercise was carried-out with the Romans, but no similar success was forthcoming, so it's just the three to add to my Co-Ma originals and previously seen copy. It seems the 'fallen helmets' added to the bases (and passed on to the RP re-sculpts) were something conjured by the first copyists who made the above figures, each helmet lying approximately where a bump lays in the Co-Ma original's grass-etched bases.

A couple of comparisons; the copies are much smaller than the Co-Ma donors, but RP beefed them up again, a bit, and while the Co-Ma figures were hard polystyrene, the copies are a soft polyethylene. Note that the gold copy doesn't have horns, but rather two stumps or studs, which seems to be deliberate, but could be a short-short moulding?

More interestingly, the RP's are - mostly - also a soft polyethylene, but one or two of them are the harder ethylene or polypropylene of the gold Romans we've seen before . . . seen rather too much-of, some might feel, but I see Erwin was whinging (again) back at Christmas that he'd never used the RP's, even though the Vichy's limp-dicked hussar (born from the thigh of an angry, retarded troll) has taken my cropped enlargement of Erwin's 'Peruvian' RP figure to illustrate his (hussar's) RP entry in a spreadsheet!

Which is itself (the spreadsheet) equally interesting, as it's also full of my images, despite the limp-dick having gone on record as 'barely knowing' and 'rarely visiting' my site! But I'll be dealing with several of his utterances in a separate post.

They're all awful; the TJF & the PSTSM, the Vichy French and AFD's, along with the three lick-spittle Aussies (Hall, O'Connell and Pye)by turn ; hypocritical, shite-talking, envious, plagiarists, making it up as they go along, or sitting in other-people's dust and vociferously talking-up each other's nonsense in a group-hug of fuck-wittedness!

Although I let the gold RP go six-years ago, I had taken loads of images (although I think I'm using this one again? Doh!), so we can look at all three types together. Obviously, the Res' is scaled 'by eye' but when seen together, he will be found to be slightly larger than the copy but noticeably smaller than the Co-Ma original.

Co-Ma's sculpt is a well-proportioned, proud, graceful figure; sculpted with some care (for the 1950/60's), striking hard, two-handed, at an enemy he is clearly making eye-contact with, a sweeping stroke which will - hopefully - remove the protagonist's head!

The metallic-blue one is a much-poorer copy, the neck lost and the legs shortened leaving an over-developed torso. He is still 'in-line' with his base and remnants of the Co-Ma details (buttons and things) are there, but he's swinging his sword with less purpose!

While Res Plastic's figure is (like the rest of both their sets) a re-working, which seems to refer to both the previous versions; anatomy has improved toward the original, but the neck is still missing, the torso has been turned slightly, and with a further slight turn of the head he is swinging more wildly (in the 'ineffectual' rather than 'angry' sense of the word), the 'fallen helmet' has been cleaned-up (but retained), the buttons, however, have been replaced with some poor machine-tool marks aping the leather segments of the original's 'cuirass' - it's probably got some Latin name! Leatheretta-segmata jerkinius?

The fact that the slight musculature on the Co-Ma figure's right wrist/forearm has - by the incidence of the RP figure - become large welts or scales, suggests the employment of a pantograph in both copying exercises, but work has also been done by hand (body posing), and machine-tools (leather, 'fallen helmet') to change the copy-sculpts slightly.

Another comparison, Co-Ma to the left and two of the copies; I've placed a bit of Blue-Tac under the gold figure to give a suggestion of the missing RP version.

It is a fact, that despite seven or eight mentions, posts or forum threads on these figures over the last 24-months, here and with the derisible-duo, as yet, no evidence has come to light of fourth or fifth types, apart from that rather-odd set, looking like RP's but with hexagonal holes in their backs - where you might expect to find the RP marks! I believe they are an act of vandalism designed to win an argument - which the authors' had already lost?

There is little or no evidence of DSG figures either, except insofar as with both hard and soft plastic versions of RP-marked figures around, DSG may have run the mould (which they are known to hold, or have held) unchanged, or wholesaled/retailed the/some leftover RP-marked stock. I say "little or..." as - if they are genuine - the hex-hole figures seen on Shitestuff may be DSG, but they weren't presented as such by 'Cheech & Chong'!

Neither is there any empirical evidence of Basa having ever carried the Co-Ma figures (which they may have done) or produced their own copies - which they almost certainly didn't. As they (Sterwin) have led us round the garden-path several times trying to cover-up Erwin's original falsehood (that the gold RP's were Peruvian product), one has to ask why they still visit these figures? The figures announced the other day in the 'other place' (as he refers to me!) as ring-handed Co-Ma, are neither Co-Ma, nor ring-handed!

Indeed, while my own ministrations over the course of the debate have provided some facts by way of obvious conclusion, the pathetic pair of poltroons have provided piss-all of pertinence and only succeeded in confusing themselves and each other as we saw earlier in the journey!

The two figures have - in point of fact - been armed with crude daggers, made by simply drilling into one half of the tool and removing the little spigot with would have formed the hole in the hand, so that both the hole and the drill fill with polymer, creating a stumpy, stabbing instrument!

Or, at least, it would be how the originator might do it, the pirates' just avoid the hole while- (or fill it in before-) pantographing, and then only have to drill the stabber-stud!

On the subject of the copies; I don't know who produced them, it may be in the latest book on Italian figures (which I don't have), but I don't recall it being in the earlier volume (which I do have!), it'll probably be someone like Plasticrom (Cané/Grisoni), PRB or Ro-Plast who were all producing rack-toy/'bazaar' stuff and/or knock-offs, in the 1970's?

Given the metallic colours' similarity to those Cane 54/60-mil Vikings which were everywhere about fifteen/twenty years ago (I think PB Toys still have a load?), they may be a Grisoni branded thing?

One is tempted to wonder - given that other people produced several versions of their main earners (Britains khaki Infantry or Starlux combat troops for instance) whether Co-Ma were involved in the soft-plastic copies, but the copies are so poor, that seems unlikely.

True: Britains Hong Kong khaki infantry were as poor compared to their grandparents, but there was a longer period of time between the two generations, and the market had moved-on further when those late PVC atrocities came out of the Far-Eastern colony.

Comparison between the five 'pairs'; you wouldn't be hiding those shield-located marks so easily with a heated screwdriver!

When you look at something as closely as we've ended-up looking at these recently, you tend to end up with as many new questions as answers, and with these as well as who made the first set of copies it's also how Co-Ma allowed these copies to come-about, in the same country?

But looking - again - at Britains, who are known to have defended their intellectual property many times both in the hollow-cast and the plastic eras, yet still suffered loads of piracies, particularly of the khaki infantry, including a few UK-based companies, it may be that sometimes it's easier to turn a blind-eye than try to challenge in court, especially if slight changes to the sculpts will only provide a pay-day for the lawyers!

Also, Co-Ma did change direction, first toward kits and railway accessories, while by the 1980's they were producing more infant-targeted toys and big bath/beach stuff, and those changes seem to have begun quite soon, hence the interest in genuine examples of their [original] figures, in a sea of copies? Perhaps they granted permission for some of the cloning; perhaps they couldn't care because the clones weren't treading on their 'new lawn'?

E is for Erwin Watch - Part; the Somethingth!

That cock-whacking monkey-lizard Mr. Sell had a pop the other day (so did TJF actually, clearly they are getting nervous!) I am working on 'the big one' but in the meantime worth a quick look just to remind ourselves how utterly stupid he is.

He first posted this as 4:36pm local time, it reads - after the [charming] thread-quote is removed;

Such post-attack silly unfunded  maniac from UK using edited pictures  was responded here.

http://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=8882

and also here.

http://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=9096

When i post information  i back mine regardless i post all pictures or not ,yet i wait to respond with all i have and make him looks bad again.
I had never ever talk,write or post anything against this person at all ,he also have plenty enemies he had done himself out of his hate in many non toy related toys blogs.
He constantly uses derogatory ,racist words and comments that let few with desire read any of his puzzles sick comments
What is more sad is the fact that in UK they let this person post in magazines such PW when make looks entire british community looks bad .is a shame british let this person be part of collectors .
my thoughts.

Then (having got a couple of back-links posted for his paymaster) he posts it again . . .

 . . . at 4.43pm, just in case anyone missed it (and to get another two back-links posted for TJF), but also in very small text; presumably  in case anyone with the weirdest eye-condition known to man was struggling with the standard text, seven minutes previously!

Now there are two parts to his illiterate drivel, the re-hash of the Co-Ma/Basa thing which I'll deal with in a minute, and the frankly half-idiotic/half defamatory rant woven into the crucified syntax, massacred grammar and stab at spelling he calls 'thoughts'!

Same pack-drill as before - line by miserable line;

Such post-attack silly unfunded  maniac from UK using edited pictures 

Well, it needs translation I fear, but imagine what kind of maniac I'd make if I could get some funding from edited pictures!

When i post information  i back mine regardless

No he doesn't! In the same thread (on a pirate board-game figure) he states "The figures then sold as souvenir or loose in ITALY till well 90s by many companies around with sweet or chocolate as well as free toy gift as well." With no 'back' whatsoever, bear in mind he's said the same thing about another brand a day or two previously and it's not long since the German lollipop posts here - that's how it works; I lead, they follow; badly!

i post all pictures or not ,

Pretty much like the rest of us then? Sometimes we do . . . sometimes we don't! The man's too funny to be kept off the stage really.

yet i wait to respond with all i have and make him looks bad again.

I must have missed that load, was I carrying an umbrella? Good; I hate the smell of fish! He actually wants you to take him seriously, and - to be fair - some people are, but then you realise they too are strangers to the caps-lock and it's just a bunch of gobshites blowing-off.

I had never ever talk,write or post anything against this person at all ,

Except that which we are reading here? And his madness rant a month or two ago (below image)? And his original attacks on my Blue Box / Ri-Toy post which started all this nonsense, five-minutes after he got on-line? And his joint attack with TJF over Christmas 2016? And, and, and . . . he's a liar, a blatant liar, but some people, particularly the Vichy are lapping it up like hungry kittens rats!

Not a 'talk,write or post...against' me! Liar!

The tragedy is, as he's writing it - he probably believes it! And he knows the Vichy and the PSTSM will support and encourage it, and not just them; Carrick, Bergner, Dittman and others have chosen that side of the fence, instead of staying on the bloody thing!

[I will return to the above quote in a separate post as the main thrust of his premise (public self-therapy) pertains more to his paymaster (TJF) than it does to me!]

he also have plenty enemies he had done himself out of his hate in many non toy related toys blogs.

"Non toy related toys blogs"? Anyone? While you're trying to de-cipher that, maybe you could point me to any Blogs I have 'done myself out of', bar TJF's risible, drivellous, gray-area . . . obviously!

To my knowledge I haven't fallen foul of any other Blogs, although I have voluntarily stopped commenting on one or two - to save their blushes. Someone called James did stop following me the other day, but as I don't follow his and as he did so in a flourish of bilious (and political) hate on TJF's blog (so was therefore - clearly a TJF shill), it makes no difference to my situation and carries no significance for this Blog. And it's a tedious playing-peow-peow's-with-brum-brum's-on-the-carpet type Blog anyway.

He constantly uses derogatory ,racist words and comments that let few with desire read any of his puzzles sick comments 

Ah, yes! The defamatory bit. I have never used racism of any kind? Both Erwin Sell and Paul - The Jabbering Fuck - 'stads' Stadinger (TJF) have now accused me of racism, in public and in private - neither has given an example. The statements are defamatory.

I am beginning to suspect they are both so simple-mindedly stupid, ignorant and uneducated, that they don't actually know what racism is, nor comprehend the tenets behind it, or how to recognise it?

It's true I have been very derogatory, and will continue to be when this kind of shit is being written about me . . . by a fuckwit! Words AND comments? I must be overdoing it! Puzzles? Sick? It's almost enough to drive me to the smelling-salts! Constantly? How do I find time for everything else I'm 'guilty' of!

Even in my insulting derogatoriness I have veered away from the obvious targets, except in so far as originally christening them TJF and the Cock-whacking Monkey-lizard, which was both an amusing Star Wars reference, and - for those who know them - a bit close to the knuckle; but that was their fault for attacking me over Christmas!

What is more sad is the fact that in UK they let this person post in magazines such PW when make looks entire british community looks bad .is a shame british let this person be part of collectors .

The difficult one - In this war (which they started) they (Sell and TJF) keep trying to get other people involved - I try not to. Although I'm happy to shame those who choose to get involved.

What I would say is that I have picked up new supporters and the best part of a million hits in the last 12 months and those who choose to deal with me, do so for their own reasons and don't need Mr. Sell telling them what they should or should not do. The blog is going from strength to strength and I'm going nowhere else.

If, as a collector, you don't want me "be part of " you, have a word next time you see me and I'll try to disengage! And I only ever advise anyone / everyone not to get involved, sadly some have. The reasoning he must be using (at the level of  a12-year-old), must apply equally to Stadinger and himself, with regard the US 'community? But that's the hypocrisy of the two idiot's for you!

my thoughts.

No, no no! Not 'thoughts', his random keyboard jerks! Probably resulting from uncontrolled synaptic-sparks in the brain he appears to have borrowed from a solar-powered lawn-mower . . . too much sun!

★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★

So, that's his literary efforts dealt with, now back to the CoMa/Basa/Res Plastics thing, which was hilarious first time round, but which (by only posting links to one side) he is trying to misrepresent - and because TJF needs the traffic (for his SEO!)! But Googlebot doesn’t trawl locked-forums! Dum, they're both so dum.

If you missed it first time round it's complicated but well worth bringing together in one place, so it might as well be here! Let's thank him for raising the subject again after 18-months-odd (although; one has to ask why?) and dive in . . .

★★★★★

After I had pointed out that Erwin was wrong about my Blue Box and Ri-Toys post, they both got the arse big-time; inventing a whole port and industrial estate [Tain Sang - too funny] in Hong Kong - which doesn't exist! I pointed that out too - among a plethora of other things they'd cooked-up as they went along!

As a result they started having the odd pop at me over at plaid-stuff, suggesting I didn't know anything and was always wrong . . . so one day I pointed out that Erwin was making it up . . . again!

The funny thing was I only had the one figure, and I only had photographs of it! But it was all I needed.

★★★★★

He had tried to tell the Vichy that he was showing them Peruvian-made Basa Romans, while actually using Italian-made Res Plastics figures, I pointed out that the figures were RP and he was making it up as he went along - again. (E is for Erwin Watch - Res not Basa).

They (both were involved) then tried to make out A) I was wrong and B) he had not used RP figures (1^st link from Erwin above), by photographing some new figures (actually the same figures after someone had taken a screwdriver's hot hex-bit to them!) and claiming they were the figures he used - ergo; I was wrong.

So I went back to the Vichy thread, took screencap's of the RP-marked figures he had used (and which are still there!), compared them to mine and called them out for now lying about the lie! You can't make shit this up! Although; they try to! (I is for is it Res Plastic, Basa or DSG?).

This led to a spittle-flecked rant from Standinger (2^nd link from Erwin above) which attempted to paint me as a conspiracy theorist (I know - dum! But they get their learnin' from tabloids), with the aid of an spurious, additional, CoMa original! However by now, Erwin was getting shaky on the details in reply to someone's comment and they both ended up contradicting just about everything they'd said on the subject and each other.

I dealt with that, line-by-tedious-line in this post (Stads Watch / Erwin Watch - Back to Basa'ics !) and we moved on to Fontanini, Rojas plagiarism, the risible not-DSG thing and, well, most of you have followed enough of it to know what the flavour is!

Until the little-retch decided to resurrect it all the other day!

In the meantime I have shown the CoMa originals (or late production from those moulds) and another slightly different figure. With what came-out in the original spat, and what's turned-up since (R is for Romans! Co-Ma . . . et al!), it's clear that there are at least three sets of moulds;

• CoMa (Originals)
• Res Plastics (RP)
• Unknown (as yet)

And that the Res Plastics moulds went to DSG in Argentina, who may or may not have run them (or ex-RP stock) with or without the RP-mark and/or hex-driver holes. That there was a late issue of/from the CoMa tool and that there's a third 'cheapie' set - which may have been cleaned-up (or copied) to become the RP set?

At no point has anyone (at shitestuff, Vichy or here) shown a figure which can be authenticated as Basa, and while Basa may have worked with CoMa, there is little actual data on when or what the relationship was and no empirical evidence they specifically handled the Romans. If they did they would be the CoMa sculpts; which - ironically - Erwin also showed!

While Erwin - who claimed to have corresponded with Basa's owner - has failed to explain why he was (still is - thank God it's a locked forum) passing the RP-DSG sculpts off as Basa? Nor has he provided any evidence of this correspondence to 'win' his case.

And while the PSTSM shill's will bleat about me 'getting excited about mere toys', I am in fact responding to criticism (for 'criticism' read 'nasty, factually-inaccurate, illiterate, drivel'), while their self-proclaimed 'Legend' of a leader gets equally excited . . . about toys! Witness the second either of their posts.

And - this blog is err . . . about toys! When I blog on [more important] stuff like politics or the environment they get equally irate, so I can't win either way, but then; they're not a bright bunch, and if I can't win, I'll carry on regardless, being me; and they can go hang! Is that racist? Fuck'em!

The recent spate of attacks on stadsshite and over in Vichy are no doubt due to the fact that Christmas is coming, clearly; they are winding themselves up! I'll help!

Tatra next!

And if you're wondering about the apparent hypocrisy of the internal back-links I've managed to get into this post, actually Googlebot can mark you down for too-many of them, however I'd rather you find the stuff more easily, but then - I'm not the traffic-whore; TJF is.

B is for Barbari! To Fight your Romani of Course!

Along with my single non-Co-Ma Roman I have a probably non-Co-Ma chap who is sometimes described as a Viking, but he is supposed to fight the Romans, and they had long-gone before Vikings were on the scene, also he has an animal's horns on his helmet which is not a Viking practice at all and - I'm sure you'll agree - pretty barbaric, so I guess when Co-Ma called them Barbari, they were right!

Here he is; he too has the helmet-in-the-mud thing going-on, but it's not as simple as it was with the Romans, he's also that softer plastic though, so probably a copy. Again, no markings, of any kind and he has a single horn like some unicorn-quiffed follower of Pan/Dionysus! Very Barbari!

Brian Berke also has one, but I suspect from the detailing of the helmet in the mud he is a Co-Ma original? Although the spike for a weapon is a bit suspect, but it may be the remains of a handle for an axe which has gone the way of all flesh? The level of detail is superb, and those horns could hurt someone! Very Barbari!

Brian's Berserker was at tea (and anyone who's read Asterix will know we Brits just don't fight Italians at tea-time!), so he sent a scaler with a couple of other Hong Kong/China-Troops, although I'd like to know where that Saracen knock-off got an American Civil War musket from? Presumably the bloke behind him! Anyway, my Berserker is now on the mantle-shelf now for just such occasions; although my money's on the Barbari; he's got longer arms and a shield!

R is for Romans! Co-Ma . . . et al!

Look what turned-up! Like the spare Frog Bloodhound-keeper I had no idea I had these, and they weren't in the Romans tubs, they were in the unknown military pre-1900 box! I do vaguely recall buying them as a set, in one of those boxes that 16 of the Ambassador's chocolates used to come in, at a Birmingham show, but whether it was the 2009, '10 or '11 show I can't remember.

A set of six, two are integral mouldings, four had ring-hands for a variety of weapons; I have a standard, two spears and a short-sword, although I don't suppose it would look that short sticking out of your Briton'ish clavicle!, but that is what they are called.

It is the separate weapons that supposedly tell us they are Co-Ma as ably demonstrated by TJF a year ago as he proceeded to contradict everything he and his self-abusing monkey-lizard had previously said about them, over the prior month or so!

Note; there are no remnants of spangle-helms in the mud of their bases.

With sword or spear; he's clearly been annoyed by someone or something, and is intending to take his frustration out on a soft, fleshy, target of non-Roman citizenship! Thus the pink-monkey's ever-were, and remain so to this day!

Again some alternate weaponry posing, with the kneeling guy, a spear works well for 'receiving the enemy', but it looks awkward in the hand of the standing guy; who seems to have been designed to take the standard. Sometimes the 'ring-hand' thing has more to do with sculpting and tooling vis-a-vis undercuts than any deliberate attempt at 'swoppet-ism'!

While the figure below and to the right is . . . I haven't the faintest idea! What I do know is that unlike the other six, I've had him for years (long before my short-stay RP figure) due to his sub-size, and that those other two f-witts don't know either!

Hell, he may even be the elusive Basa! But as last year's spat failed to provide a single figure they were sure was Basa, nor any empirical evidence that Basa ever 'did' the Romans, it's still up for grabs! And I got him in Europe, before the Internet was a 'Thing'.

My feeling is that he is an interim design - probably an Italian or French 'bazaar' toy - a piracy, coming between the Co-Ma originals and the RP (Res Plastics) figures, which may well be from his tool, but after it was cleaned-up and the RP moniker added. He DOES have a discarded helmet in his mud, and it's similar to RP's, but he has no marking at all. He also has a slight twist or turn-away compared to the older pose.

As we can see the RP one did here, against the donor! And again; the spangle-helm. Both the twists AND fallen-helmets suggesting RP's moulds WERE the cleaned-up tools of the silver-copy guy; they are - supposedly - the moulds which are now with DSG.

Now . . . IF and it's a big 'if''; Basa got the tools direct from Co-Ma, these main six above could ALL be Basa, they're clean enough to be later production (and not as sharp as Co-Ma original Barbarians or Astronauts), but I don't know - any more than those other two idiots did, once they were 'put on the spot' (just use the Basa tag for the whole sequence of Trumpundbrexidioscy a year ago) - so for now they remain labelled 'Co-Ma (probably)' in the box. What I do know is that my six aren't RP, aren't the poorer copies and probably aren't DSG.

The point I'm making here is that Erwin did use the RP figures on the Vichy site, claiming they were Basa, he then denied he's done so and with TJF's help (and possibly some self-vandalism involving a heated hex-driver bit) used a second set of figure shots to prove nothing other than their joint dishonesty, before they both managed to contradict themselves and each-other with the help of a Co-Ma original/figure matching mine!

Mine are currently commanded by a slightly over-scale Reamsa re-issue on a horse which I assume, presume, and guess is also a Marksmen-era, Reamsa re-issue mount, but I'm 100% sure - I'm not sure! Oops, did I just guess about Spanish toy sol... . . ? Have I just left mysel... . . ? Will TJF have a... . . ? Is he Jecs... . . ? Doh!

Stadswatch / Erwinwatch - Back to Basa'ics !

Alternatively - G is for the Grinding Poverty of Intelligence in the PSTSM

In which we find Paul Stadinger changes his mind, proves me right and yet apparently claims it as a victory? My bits in green.

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Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC. Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Posted on April 23, 2017 by admin

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Beyond parody, beyond fucking-paraody!
Thick as pig-shit

we are back again on the subject of the Res Plastic Romans. In Hugh Walter Strikes and Hits Again (glad you agree with me - "...hits again...'' - too funny!) we responded to Hugh’s attack on BASA Romans that Erwin had shown. Hugh claimed that they were Res Plastic (I showed - with a screen-cap of Erwin's post - they were) and had been imported into Peru (some were!).  He based that on a RP on the back of his figure (no; on the back of Erwins figure, my figure was to prove the point). Problem is the ones from Peru do not have the RP (but Erwin said they were? I'm all 'mix and confuse'). We stated BASA was known (by whom? Evidence) for buying molds (evidence?) of other companies and produced them there in Peru.  At that point it should have been end of the story (why?). Instead Hugh has decided to continue his attack.  He feels that we are trying to cover up the truth (because you are; not covering up the truth - covering up your previous bullshit). Hugh has become so much like those conspiracy writiers that I see in the alternate media.

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Coma Plastic

Since Hugh has continued his attack I did more research into the matter (but? You've already given us the definitive 'truth'? When you accused me of 'missing again'?). My first stop was Plastic Warrior Roman Special  by Peter Evans (ah yes! The publication you've been re-posting as Erwin-fact on and off for the last 18 months!). Peter has a Roman figure running with sword in the air on the page 8 under Italian production (no there isn't, there are two on page 5 and one on page 9?). The figure is in silver. Peter has classified the figure as Coma not Res Plastic! The figure under discussion, and mentioned by yourselves last time was on page 35, it is RP - it belonged to me, no one has questioned the origins of Coma's figures, nor the figures on page 5 or 9, still - nice attempted deflection! And Peter might be wrong?

Erwin's figure - not mine!

The figures you both originally said weren’t there, even though they were and which you - here - are now saying aren’t the right ones at all, neither [apparently] are the ones you said were last time! Too funny.

If you are right here, will Erwin be going back to the forum and explaining he made it all up as he went along again? Some hell-of-a-correcting needed there - if you're right here?

With that piece of information (? Too funny) I checked the internet for information on Coma.  I found out that Coma did  figures in the 60’s and 70’s (no one has claimed they didn't, indeed they've been quite well-documented now?). Also I found a Coma catalog on line.  The catalog  had a history of the company.

 Here is  comment on their figures from their catalog I have translated it into English.

“soldiers in soft plastic unstained (scale 1:32), 55 mm height, including Alpini, infantry marine and Bersaglieri, Musketeers, Marines, Roman Legionnaires, Barbarians, Southerners, mediovali, Avieri, sold in packs of 6 figures That's Google-translate not you-translate! Nothing's straight with you two!

http://www.rivarossi-memory.it/Altre_Marche/Edilmec-Coma/Edilmec-Coma.htm

Notice the above section gives that the Romans are 55mm height and in packs of six figures.  The Romans from BASA are six different and 55mm in height (last time you were telling us they were definitely the smaller ones!).  So the mold that BASA has (evidence?) is the Coma not Res Plastic. Says who, what evidence? You have now - between the two of you - tried to pass three different sets of figures off as being the definitive made by Basa ones, when they probably only imported a single type!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Roman Figure

[He then shows three pictures of what is clearly and without question an Italian (not Peruvian) Co-Ma/CoMa/Coma (take your pick, everyone else does) figure, a figure which has never been under suspicion, nor have its origins been questioned, or at least; not by me]

I went through my figure collection and found that I had the above Roman figure.  The figure  was measured. He was found to be 55mm.  I have tried to blow up the photo of the back of the figure. Unfortunately the black color of the figure does not help. It does not have any markings (why would it? It's Coma). This is a Coma Roman. It is, well done.

I also looked at two Res Plastic merry men (? What sort of a comparison is that?! Different size, different series, different material!) that had been produced in South America (By whom? DSG?) I did find any marking (?). Hugh has shown no hard documentation that it is a Res Plastic (what is? The merry man?).  so typical of typical someone is a conspiracy writier.? A conclusion without logic; from a sentence which makes no sense!

I've shown you a screen cap of Erwins RP figure; the one he claimed was Basa, then claimed wasn't there and shots of the RP figure on page 35 of Peter's book - which was the figure you were claiming-for last time you tried to draw a line under this!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy The Secret Empire

Hugh like so many other conspiracy writiers (yeah! Those 'writiers' they get everywhere, shouldn't be allowed!) has to have some evil entity (WTF? Still toooo funny! Call me 'Evilentity Man'!). He calls me the Penn State Toy Soldier Mafia (no I don't, stop bigging-yourself up, I refer to a grouping of East-coast gobshite's as the PSTSM, you just run the scandal-sheet). There is a problem with that name it so bogus (baby-talk). Penn State is a university which I have no association with or want (more baby-talk).  Mafia is negative term and offensive to Italians (oh boo-hoo, you pathetic, shrinking violet!).  I do not head any secret group (who said it was secret?).  My web site has a goal of sharing information on toy soldiers.  We let people know new production, share information on old figures and promote collector’s projects. We have no secret agenda, we just want to fun. Whine, whine, fucking-whine!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Hugh like most conspiracy writiers (Those bloody 'writiers' again, aren't they German knights?) have to add things that do not anything to do with the main topic (what? And you're not just about to! Too funny).  In his attack on the BASA Plastic  Hugh had (I didn't have to, I chose to) to make swipes at me.

1. I have not made a comment in his site (no - you've made several!).  I have a policy on not commenting  on an adversarial (there - you said it, took you a while, over six months (probably longer); but there's the truth, and that's why you fall-out with everybody - you see them all as 'adversaries'; competitors, not fellow-collectors) site. This goes back to when Tom Terry of PFPC took a photo I send him  to make fun of me. It was because I would not bow to his will on a certain matter. Someone-else you've fallen-out with Paul? What "certain matter"? He was probably right!

What's this then - Scotch mist?

Liar! (again!)

Are you too stupid to remember you commented on my Blog, do you believe you didn't? Or are you so delusional and arrogant you thought I'd be too stupid to know where they are a few days after I pointed out they were there? Too funny - whichever way the stupidity flows.

2.  Several cracks of us being drunk (wrong - read it again - dumb-fuck).  I drink very little alcohol.  At most I will have a glass of wine or half a can of cider. in a day.  I was even this way years before my Atrial fibrillation. I know Erwin is the same way.  To even impile (ouch!) that a person is drunk  without knowing the truth is reprehensible. Wayne; you hear the man - you're reprehensible!

It was Wayne - not me! Fuckwit! I just pointed out the idiotic logic of the comment! You are too stupid Stadinger, really, how can you get this from my pointing out the latent hypocrisy hidden in Wayne's misguided attempt at humour (made on a Sunday, on a post posted on err . . . a Sunday)? I didn't say anyone was drunk - I pointed out that if I was 'in my cups' because it was a weekend when I posted (Wayne's hinted inference), then all those whose comments and posts were made on weekends (including those by you, Erwin and other PSTSM'ers), must be assumed to involve alcohol as well, Jesus! Stad, you're as thick as pig-shit.

Child abuse is 'reprehensible', what the West have done in Iraq and Afghanistan is 'reprehensible', walking away from the Paris Climate Agreement Treaty is 'reprehensible'; calling someone drunk when they're not [which I didn't anyway] is mildly annoying at worst Stad, you melodramatic, over-excitable, drama-queen!

[Wayne - at worst; you mildly annoyed me!]

3. I am shadowing him.  I only look at his site. Before his attacks on Erwin I would see his spiel on the items he had found. Now I have to look at his silly attacks on Erwin and me.  You've just shadowed me for the whole of June! You regularly . . No; do you know what - separate post for this one!

4. Complaint about me blogging about shows I have not attended. There are many shows I would like to attend but due to various reasons I cannot. People who go are kind enough to share their photos and/or  their impressions of the show. The people are fully credit. It is one of our most popular features.  I have done a lot of my own reporting on shows. Ditto

I could go on but I see no further reason to continue to defend Erwin and myself from these bias and other wrong statements. Then you "go on" anyway! . . . Too funny!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy  Hugh Stupid Move HEAY! Don't knock my 'Move', man, it's got me more tail-action than my 'Stand Still'!

Hugh not content to just attack Erwin and me attacked the people who made a comment. This was so wrong on so many levels including possible copyright violations (WTF? Quoting people in full and crediting them, by name, for their own idiocy is not a copyright anything - too fucking stupid).  It is typical of a bully trying to scare people. Problem for Hugh it has the opposite effect.  These people will see what jerk he is and will not support him (I've had to ask people not to support me, and rescheduled things to prevent others getting drawn-in, not something which bothers the members of the PSTSM).  Hugh attacks one of the responders Darren Hatley twice. First because Darren a fellow Englishman Hugh felt he should side with him. (I don't think he should side with me, and never said so, indeed I wouldn't want him to; his sycophancy makes my skin crawl. I do think he's wrong to side with a couple of idiot fuckwits, but reading his comment below I guess it's simply 'birds of a feather'?) Second time Hugh claims he is a fake name (err... no, I said someone else thought he might be). Darren is real. I have told him if he is ever at a show that Paul Morehead of Plastic Warrior to show his photo id. Aurh! Childish, schoolyard stuff, isn't it Paul?

I would not go against any of the people who comment on his site.  His recent attack did not any comments. Translation please? I've asked people not to comment, it's my fight, started by you! And people who comment on posts of this kind - on either site - are lowering themselves to the level of the gutter, getting involved, and can't complain if their comments are subsequently scrutinised - it's called fair play and free speech!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Final Thoughts

So through empirical proof (an Italian catalogue on an Italian site about an Italian toy company is not empirical-anything of anything Peruvian!) we  have show these [this] figures are [is] Coma not Res Plastic (well . . you've just identified you figure correctly as being Coma (Italian) and changed your mind from the 'Srikes Again' post; now between the two of you, you have contradicted each-other and yourselves, you've shown - here - a Coma figure no one is arguing with, you haven't shown it's Basa just claimed it is; your third choice of definitive Basa figure!).  Hugh has not shown  any documented information other one figure is marked with a RP (Erwin's screen-capped figure is marked RP, my figure was marked RP?). Like so many other conspiracy writiers he will cling is misinformation. I proved Erwin was bullshitting, that's all I needed to do, That Basa imported or carried some figures from Coma, Res or DSG is not and never has been at question. That they made them is still in question, while that the RP's in Erwins original post were Basa product was clearly a falsehood.

You have shown no evidence - empirical or otherwise - for Basa's production (or mould-holding) AND; have passed three sets of figures off as being 'definitely' the Basa ones. And indeed - I guess from the above you are struggling to comprehend what 'empirical' evidence is.

Hugh is like a person I know named Don. Don is the same way as Hugh very opinonated (damn right! You only get one life! Don't waste it being a worm). I saw Don being showed his information was wrong and going back wrong information the next day.  Today Don is shunned by his former friends as they tired of his attitude. I suspect Don is yet another of the many you have fallen-out with, you're a serial-offender Stad! Why don't you support and promote the US magazines, as I do ours? Because you've fallen out with them!

In regards to Hugh I am not going to waste anymore time on him (you've said that before!). He can go rant on his site all he wants. We will continue to publish our articles.  I am sure he will publish another 14 pages of diatribe drivel. Hahahaha! If you're going to throw my vocabulary back at me you really should Google it so that you comprehend the words you're using and understand how to use them! Drivel, yeah, Diatribe, absolutely, drivellous diatribe even, maybe, at a pinch, but "diatribe drivel" . . . oh dear!

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10 Responses to Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC. Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Here we go! More people wanting to get involved, wanting to stick their oar-in, get their beef off their chest, not bullies, oh no, I'm the bully, little old me, all by myself; responding!

Mark T. says:

April 24, 2017 at 2:16 AM

The personal attacks on you and Erwin are really uncalled for and quite bizarre, especially considering the argument is over obscure decades-old toy soldiers. Life is too short for this sort of thing. Mr. Walter really ought to just drop this whole matter before it consumes him. I once had a friend who let a minor disagreement get the better of him like this and sadly, it just snowballed and took over his whole life. You have to know when to let it go. Every word of this applies equally to the above wittering of Stadinger? But then they do say you guys don't do irony!

That aside, the more I read about this conflict, the more I want to get myself some sets of those Romans and Barbarians. Me too! Race you to ebay.it

See other comment below.

admin says:

April 24, 2017 at 8:55 AM

I surprised that I have only the one figure. (yet you feel it's right to attack me for only one - too funny) It will be something I will be looking for as well.
I have decided to no longer bother with him as I too many other things in life to do. That turned out to be another lie! Didn't it?

erwin says:

April 24, 2017 at 9:17 AM

COMA space,romans and Viking or barbarians as well musketeers ,Knights and marine infantry-not sailors sets are the hardest to get complete.I do not know why if less produced or what .
I got most set complete minus musketeers and knights
The Viking were sold with a ship too. I have it, just missing craft sail,boat is about 12″ long with oars and made of plastic.
COMA before do kits cars and airplanes launch a series of early 1900s all plastic cars ,very nice in 1.32 scale great for gangsters era scenes .These are more common around ,is from this line they made some boats and ships too in simple plastic few pieces attached together.
best… If I possessed an Erwin-to-English translator - I'd probably manage a pithy comment here!

Darren Hatley says:

April 24, 2017 at 4:05 PM

As ive said before, I have the Coma/Ex-res Vikings and Romans, The Vikings are really nice figures with Good detail and are 55mm tall. The Romans on the other hand look like recasts to me, The detail isn,t so good and they are about 48mm tall. I will have to dig them out and give more detail if I can. (you guessed 48mm without digging them out? Erwin!)
As far as Hugh Walters attacks on me, And saying I dont exist (yawn - I didn't, I suggested you 'might not' following a conversation with someone else!), I feel I should make a comment here. I think its a weird thing to say and quite funny really. I dont know what hes problem is and I am who I say I am. Im just a guy from England in my 40s who collects, Converts and Paints Toy Soldiers and who likes to regularly come onto this site to see what figures are being talked about, What New figures are coming out, And to talk with like minded indeviduals about this Great hobby. Although ive never met him Erwin has known me for at least 10 to 15 years and im on Facebook. I like Mysteries and Conspiracy theories, But im not a member of the Majestic 12 Lol. I wont be mentioning Mr Hugh Walters anymore, As Paul says lets draw the line under this. The more you say - the less I'm inclined to believe you! You're certainly sharing a keyboard with the other two, or don't they have spall-chockar in Norfolk!

George Albany says:

April 25, 2017 at 6:09 PM

Y’know, the last time Hugh Walter was mentioned here, I looked at his site, figured I’d see what he was talking about. Seems to me that he gets awfully upset about toy soldiers, who made them, and what other people have to say about it. For cryin’ out loud, it’s a hobby, not nuclear science. I really don’t care what company made some relatively obscure figures, and if I did, I think I’d respond to the person I disagreed with by saying, “Erwin/Dareen/Mark/Paul, etc., I don’t think you are right. I think company B not company A made those Romans/Vikings/Germans/Waterloo figures.” (You're forgetting Stad bans commentators as quick as he begs his mates to comment!) Heck, this is supposed to be fun. A little good natured disagreement is fine, I often have good natured disagreements with friends who share other hobbies and sometimes, it can be interesting. Life is too short to get your blood pressure up over your hobby. Or so I think. Every word of this applies equally to the above wittering of Stadinger? But then they do say you guys don't do irony!

Have you two met?

George, this is Mark T, Mark - meet George Albany! You're both deliberately missing the point (out of misplaced loyalty to Stadinger?). Apart from the Basa post all mine have been in response to, as rebuttals of, or defending myself from the attacks of Stads and Erwin and/or their confused lies and made-up bullshit! And this post of Stadinger actually proves my Basa post was correct.

Wayne W says:

April 26, 2017 at 12:26 AM

I guess I would feel special as my comments have seem to have aroused Hugh’s ire. I said I “would” feel special except that about everyone who has commented on this site has drawn a response (if you comment you are choosing to get involved, if you throw a rock at someone, there are no rules limiting him to only throwing a rock back, he may chose to shoot your knees off, slit your gizzard and peg you out for the vultures after covering your genitals in gravy, that's the gamble you take when you chose to throw the rock - all's fair in love and war, Stads and Erwin declared war on 17th December last, they're just not very good at fighting it). So I’m part of the PSTSM, are there dues? Meetings? Do we have a secret handshake? I'll explain in a forthcoming post - but only you can decide if you're in it . . . or out of it.

For the most part, I’m going to follow George’s and my own advice and not let this get to me. Life is too short and I’ve been on “given” – or “borrowed” time the last thirty-five years as it is – it kind of puts things in perspective.

The only reason I even mention Hugh’s post (in which he did misquote me at least once (no I didn't! I quoted you in full, once, by cutting and pasting your comment in its entirety 'with all faults' just as I have here)) is I feel I owe Hugh an apology over the “in the cups” remarks – which, like another comment were meant in the spirit of trying to lighten the mood. I seem to recall Hugh mentioning tossing a few on another forum, but it’s been awhile and that site is no longer with us so I cannot check and make sure it was him or another. As it is I seem to have offended or hit a nerve – in either case I apologize. And I’m posting here because here is where I committed the offense. Apology accepted, now stay out of this for fucks sake - I know you’re a nice guy . . . really!

I have to admit I haven’t touched an “adult beverage” in decades. As another has said, “I didn’t like the person I became when I drank – and folks around me didn’t, either.” Besides, a guy who was declared dead from banging his head in a parachute accident probably doesn’t need to drink anyway.

As I said, I will follow my own advice and not let the nasty dudes get me down. No, Hugh, I DIDN’T use the “word.” I’m surprised you think that makes me a “wuss.” I had to use profanity as an Army NCO because most of the time my troops didn’t take me seriously if I didn’t punctuate my instructions with a four letter word here and there; but the idea of having to cuss to be a man, well, I kind of grew out of that somewhere shortly after high school. It’s a shame we are separated by thousands of miles and can communicate only online, otherwise we might be better able to take better stock of each other. Wayne - stop digging . . . please?

As it is, right now I feel like George Segal watching Liz and Dick tear into each other online. Maybe everyone needs to back off in a corner and count ten? I know I will. Just watch from the sidelines; 'my people' (if there is such a thing) are content to watch!

'Dick tear'? Eeeessh!

admin says:

April 26, 2017 at 9:27 AM

Wayne as I said in my post of I done with Hugh. I feel I have done enough for people to realize what kind of person he is. I know he will go around besmirching Erwin’s and my reptuations. I am going to waste anymore time on him (you already have! Twice). I have far more important things to do.

Wayne W says:

April 26, 2017 at 4:42 PM

I believe that is a wise course, Paul. Pity he couldn't stick to it!

Bill Nevins says:

April 26, 2017 at 12:42 PM

Could not agree more, Paul.
Not worth the time or effort. Whatever . . . missed the bus on that one Bill, he attacked me again twice while I was trying to take Wayne's "count ten".

Dennis DeRusha says:

April 26, 2017 at 4:02 PM

Hi Stad, read your piece on Hugh. He sounds like a complete and utter fool. Somewhere in England a village has lost its idiot.Take care and keep up the good work
Tanks Dennis DeRusha You should comment more often Dennis, try and add some colour to the five-out-of-seven-are-Erwin's comments! Oh, and you're an ignorant cunt! You're the little rat-shit with the knife at the back of the gang, only stepping-in when you think it's safe to do so; cunty-little-cunt-like.

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. . .I'll drop the green . . .

"Conspiracy . . . Bogus . . . Alternative Media", it's the language of Trump's dwindling inner-circle! The language of Fox News and Breitbart! Too funny, too fucking-funny for words. Was he picking what he thought looked to be suitable phrases out of the National Enquirer!!!

Something else which comes across very strongly above; humourlessness; half of it goes over his head like an aeroplane, the other half is taken literally! "He calls me the Penn State Toy Soldier Mafia", too funny! Then there's the drama-queen semantics; "Reprehensible . . . Evil Entity . . . So many levels"! Oh God! The world will end if someone doesn't do something about me!

To which must be added the constant hypocrisy, attacking my one figure yet expecting the world to accept everything he attaches to his, denying comments he's made, calling me a conspiracist even as he adds a third layer of confused bullshit to their Basa falsehoods and guesswork, calling me a bully when it's two of them with the PSTSM in tow! Attacking me for 'going off-subject', then going off-subject! The irony is totally lost on him, he lectures 'the reader' on the damage I might be doing to my Blog or reputation, with no nod to the fact he's doing the same, first, in an illiterate, nonsensical scrawl!

As a matter of fact, because 6-700 of you pretend I don't exist, or that you haven't found my Blog despite visiting every day (and nicking lots of images - eh? Soft Mirof - you know you can get little blue pills for that now?), or are [probably] too embarrassed by my antics to want to acknowledge me; I don't have a 'reputation' to worry about - bargain!

AND - unlike Stadinger - I have no delusions as to my place in the great scheme of things; future worm-food walking, that's me, that's all of us.

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If you're struggling to understand or follow the developments in this saga - one battle in a war - here's a quick, simplified round-up;

He who makes it up as he goes along; one Erwin Sell, originally posted a thread on Forum Gratuit le soldatplastique-1-32, in which he lectured with his usual unreadable style about Basa and claimed the figures accompanying the lecture were Basa's, manufactured by Basa in Peru - they weren't, they were marked, Res Plastic's (RP) figures, from Italy; ethylene piracies of styrene Coma originals.

Because of the on-going war with this pair of numpties, I posted to that effect and further pointed out that Basa were a Jobber/Importer, not specifically a manufacturer (although they did manufacture, especially latterly; big, brash polypropylene infant toys in the 2000's), adding that Erwin was making it up as he went along - again.

The terrible two then posted their 'Hugh Walter Strikes and Misses Again' post ([ http://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=8882 ] - I haven't missed yet), in which - using a second set of figures with dodgy hex-driver melt-marks approximately where the RP signs should be (?!) -  they denied that Erwin had been using RP figures.

Erwin then went back to FGle1:32 and tried to drag them into it, posting the new figures, but leaving the old images up! Meanwhile someone was drawing to my attention that the RP figure moulds went to DSG, who are in South America, but Argentina, not Peru.

I then posted my 'Hugh Walter Strikes and Hits Again' post, in which I used a screen-cap of Erwin's figure to show he was now lying (some more), and pointing out that they were now showing those new figures, the mixed, confused nature of the post, the greater confusion in the comments and Erwin even seeming to admit to confusion in one comment.

We then got the Stad's Stuff post (reproduced above with annotations), in which he switches allegiance to the Coma originals, admitting (without even realising it) that I was right all along (so he should now apologise for the 'Strikes Again' shit - no, of course he won't!) by contradicting everything said (as fact) in both Erwin's original thread on FGle1:32 and everything in their joint 'Strikes Again' post on Stad's Stuff. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

Now - some facts . . . err . . . some more drivellous diatribe!

Coma in Italy made some toy Romans, they were (apparently!) 55mm tall and they are (brittle) polystyrene plastic, have separate plug-in weapons and are highly sought-after, especially in Italy. There is a metallic maroon original on page five of the Plastic Warrior 'Roman Special' publication with minimal silver-paint highlights and a silver standard-bearer on page 9, unpainted.

Res Plastics also Italian (with the RP-in-a-circle mark) copied them some years later in golden or gunmetal polyethylene - among other colours, these were smaller (50-odd mm) and have integrally-moulded weapons and some pose changes/simplifications to assist moulding - separate weapons allow for more complicated posing/undercuts. They were quite common a few years ago. You can find examples on page five (gunmetal) and page 35 (red - possibly carried by DS/Mehanotechnika - and gold) of the above-mentioned publication.

A third set of figures has appeared with strange hex-bit shaped depressions in them.

The Res Plastics moulds were sold to DSG in Argentina, who may or may not have run them, may or may not have supplied Basa, and may or may not have removed the RP-mark before or after any number of mould-runs.

Basa imported or carried toy figures.

Basa may have carried the Coma figures (60-something years ago ) as Paul Stadinger maintains above?

Basa may have carried the smaller, strange figures with hex-bit melt-holes (but when?), as they both maintained in their 'Strikes Again' post? These may be ex-Res from DSG?

Basa may have carried the RP figures (within the last 20/25 years) shown in the orginal FGle1:32 scale thread? But they didn't make them, if they did carry them they may have got them from either RP or DSG

The Coma figures date from the 1950's

The RP figures date from the 1990/2000's (as RP) or possibly later (as DSG), they were common on the early toy soldier sites back at the start of the 'Web.

I can't say anything about the third set with the hex-bit holes - if they are even a 3rd type? They are however - suspicious! That's not conspiracy, that's fact.

Basa did not manufacture the figures originally used by Erwin in his FGle1:32 thread with the RP mark.

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Neither Erwin nor Paul Standinger in their three threads/posts have proven or shown with any serious evidence whatsoever which of the three (?) figure types were actually carried by Basa, they have failed to explain when these figures were 'carried' (there's 50-60 years between the potential dates) and have failed to prove any evidence of production by Basa.

Stad has proven that his Roman is Coma!

I have proven that Erwin's original figures (and mine) are Res Plastics

They have in fact both/each now passed two different sets of figures off as being made/manufactured by Basa. Erwin starting with pictures of the RP's and changing to hex-bit holes in the 'Strikes Again' post while Stadinger joined-in with hex-bit holes, changing to Coma here/above. All three types being delivered - separately - as THE ones, as fact! I've already said you can't make this shit up.

That is - of course - ignoring the greater confusion hidden in the 'Strikes Again' post and its comments section (as highlighted in my rebuttal) to keep it simple here.

They have both contradicted themselves, and each other, and proved my original point correct; that Erwin on FGle1:32 was making it up as he goes along again.

They have now both been making it up as they go along for some time. And if Erwin's original claim to have been in correspondence with Basa carried any weight he would have had the evidence to close this down months ago, but like his Blue Box factory visits; which his own 'research' in December proved to be false (with one factory closing before he was born and another closing while he was an infant - something I'd suggested back in October of last year); the Basa correspondence too; was just bullshit, made-up as he went along.

He's been using the same trope with DGN Hing Fat recently . . . but that's for another post.

And here's the news - I don't know or particularly care which figures Basa made, imported or carried, or when, there are very good South American collectors who will sort that out.

But I do know Erwin started with a false premise, pontificated bullshit on FGle1:32, made it up as he went along - again - and the Jabbering Fuck joined-in to protect his cock-wackin', chattering, pet monkey-lizard, neither of them know, either . . . nor did they ever - they just won't admit it!

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Here's a thought - They have - between the pair of them - most of the RP figures, most of the Coma figures and the rather dodgy hex-bit hole figures. If they had got together and posted a comparison article with all of them, mentioning all the connections with the odd 'probably', 'maybe' or question mark, a couple of sweeping generalisations and no facts they couldn't prove (the sort of articles I do here occasionally), it would have been a super post, one we all would have enjoyed, learned from and downloaded to our files, linked too in the future, returned to for reference . . .

. . . but instead, Erwin went and made some Basa shit up as he went along (again!), on a third-party site, Stadinger defended him and they've since dug a deeper and deeper and deeper hole which only serves to advertise the fact they knew nothing detailed about Basa, its history, or its product inventory, but wanted to be believed, as experts on Basa, anyway! Now they've confused the issue to the Nth degree, such an article would add nothing.

As I've said before it's all risible stuff, beyond parody, but at least Standinger now agrees with me that the figures Erwin said were Peruvian production; weren’t!

That's the 'conspiracy', a construct made of damp-paper, scribbled-on with wax-crayons by two infantile loons; one of lies and deceits, self-delusions, self-aggrandisement, arse-covering and Barry-bullshitting by two fucktards who contradict each-other and themselves.

And; can someone PLEASE show them how a spellchecker works - Christ; it's hard going!

Is that 14 pages of "diatribe drivel"? I hope so.

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