Being my rebuttal of Paul Stadinger (the
Jabbering Fuck)'s post, co-starring a Cock-wackin' Monkey-lizard called Erwin
Sell, dated 17th December 2015
Part
4 - Some Other Bits
This is the last one for now, I promise! I
say "for now" as we are
promised more from the desperately, dastardly, dishonest, duo and I may wish to
reply to them again, however if it's going to be this easy to destroy their
joint-reputations I may well leave it to intelligent people to make-up their
own minds - and for the idiots to believe what they wish in this: the post-facts,
'Post Truth' (OED word-of-the-year 2016, although it's two words!) age!
In the comments we looked at earlier today,
Erwin charged me with - and as always I'll quote in full to avoid charges of
being deliberately misleading -
"He constantly go in minor blogs attacking or self
advertising."
Well, as the first word on 1980's Fantasy figures I'm
not sure I'd describe Shaun's Blog as 'minor', not sure at all, and I've posted
more links to it, than from it, but let's compare and contrast from one of the
few times the Cock-wackin' Monkey-lizard and myself have commented on the same
post, shall we? Yeah, lets!
This was my comment; I'd sum it up as -
Nice, glad to know that, I think I might have one
or two, thanks for posting.
This was Erwin's comment on the same post; I'd sum
it up as -
Nice. Look at me, listen to me, look what I know,
look at me, listen to me, look what I know, here's some more stuff I know!
Look! Listen!
Who is 'self advertising' exactly? I could do the
same exercise on the 54mm WWII Blog, where once or twice we have both commented
on the same post, but A) I don't really want to drag other people into this,
and B) The Cock-wackin' monkey-lizard has already tried to start a fight there,
I ignored his recent comment on that one!
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with his
comment per.se, but there's an
element of pot and kettle here, again! More hypocrisy; I've accused him of
making-up specific claims about the history of one or two toy companies, which
he hasn't addressed, instead he's accusing me of anything and everything he can
think of, even if he's equally 'guilty'!
Now all this is all going to get frightfully
tedious, but they started it (long before my October post) and I'll finish it
when I'm good and ready (actually I think I said above I might leave it!
Hypocrisy Hugh! We'll see what their part two says!), it the meantime it would
appear that I owe them my thanks, as the feedback voting boxes under my posts
hardly ever get a look-in, but the October post . . .
. . . raised three votes in favour of more! So by indulging themselves in
their desire to help me destroy their reputations live on t'Internet, they are
also - apparently - pleasing a number of the followers of this Blog, who seem
to enjoy me losing my cool occasionally; train-wrecks - everyone just loves
them!
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Apropos Redbox . . . and their relationship with Blue Box and Tai Sang Toys
Red Box Canada's Corporate Structure (in French!)
Major to minor - top to bottom
I don't want the A-Z to become a 'correcting Erwin's bullshit' exercise;
and/but it is a fact that I was not ready to publish the Blue Box A-Z entry when I did, in support of my accusations, back
in October.
Now - it's doesn't matter particularly, as editing the Blue Box page alongside the Erwin J'accuse was itself a good exercise - in
self-discipline, and when I published I was reasonably happy with the level of
detail as against Erwin's bullshit.
However, as the Red Box-Blue Box
thing was a late entry to the 12,000-worder, there was work to be done, and
when I realised that Tai Sang was
extant, I did the little News, Views... piece, because I'm
honest, and we're all on a learning curve.
It was also the prime opportunity for Erwin to use the information to
satisfy himself he was wrong - instead he's found some minimal evidence
[proving he was wrong], and has tried presenting it above as if it doesn't!
The reason the A-Z had to be as accurate as possible, and the J'accuse as long as 12,000 words is that
when you are dealing with a fraud, if you don't cover every point at both ends,
if you don't cross every tee and dot every eye, they will find a way to wriggle
out of it and we see this with him trying to conflate his original . . .
" RED BOX is a
1985.Was original funded in HK and united with others from other toys line in
China after 90’s. It has been BLUE BOX main competitor since
from china market. It has “”wrongly mentioned”” as same or part as Blue Box companies in PW magazine
incorrect. They are two complete
different companies"
. . . with the
semi-autonomy that the various 'parts' of the Tai Sang 'whole' enjoy now; post the 1997 reunification or
'hand-back', but that's not the context in which he used it (one of his too
long, nothing to do with the question, 'look what I know' volunteered
'answers'), although you can make "…since
from China Market" mean whatever you want it too!
That's what frauds do, they
twist things until it suits their purpose, but he was attacking a Plastic Warrior article written while
he was barely out of nappies, referring to the Blue Box - Red Box of the 1970's, he set the agenda of this particular
gripe way back, and now tries to get out of it by talking about the companies
today.
But you can't misinterpret
"…two complete different companies"
or "…main competitor"
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Here are the notes and
working drafts on the various other elements of the Tai Sang Group including updates for Blue Box Holdings and RBI
It's all still a bit
scratchy, but by chucking it up here, it saves Erwin finding it and
miss-presenting it as he did with the catalogue!
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Will be new entry - Motormax
- See; Redbox and Zee Toys
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Will be new entry - Red
Box-Blue Box - See; Blue Box and
Redbox
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Will be new entry - Tai Sang / Tai Sang Industrial Company Ltd. / Tai Sang Toys
Tai
Sang Industrial Company Ltd. - Blue-Box House, 34
Sands Street, Kennedy Town, Hong Kong
Tai
Sang Industrial Company Ltd. - 9/F Blue Box Factory
Building, 25 Hing Wo Street, Aberdeen, Hong Kong, China
Tai
Sang Industrial Company Ltd. - 9/F, 15-25 Hing Wo
Street, Tin Wan, Aberdeen, Hong Kong, China (Current - although still known
locally as the 'Old Blue Box Building', it now has many tenants)
Ridout
& Maybee LLP - 250 University Avenue, 5th
Floor, Toronto, Ontario M5H 3E5, Canada (Legal representatives for intellectual
property/brand marking in Canada)
Tel: +1 2552 8286
Fax: +852 31295296
Peter
Chan Pui - Chairman/CEO (until demise), Chan Kwok Bun - Managing Director
(current),
See also; Blue Box (for main
history), Cheerful Toy, Hitech (Electronic Manufacturing Ltd.), Motormax, Redbox, and Talentoy Ltd.
Formal registration/establishment in its
current form in 1960, after Peter Chan Pui bought-out the backers who had
bankrolled the formation of the original Tai
Sang
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Notes
/ additions - for new Tai Sang entry
and old Blue Box entry - needs
sorting
Blue
Box (OEM) Ltd. - 9/F Blue
Box Fty Bldg, 25 Hing Wo St - Aberdeen, Hong Kong (founded 1992)
Blue Box Autraila Pty, Ltd. - C/O: George Tauber, 449 High Street,
Prahran, Victoria 3181, Australia (late 1960's-early 1970's)
Phone: 852 - 312 95 295 (Tai Sang Industrial Company Ltd.,)
Fax: 852 - 281 40 527 (Tai Sang Industrial Company Ltd.,)
Phone: +852 3510 0100 (98 Granville Rd)
Fax: +852-27243896 (98 Granville Rd)
Phone: 2552 8286 (Tai Sang Aberdeen)
Fax: 2873 1575 (Tai Sang Aberdeen)
Peter Chan Pui - [also] Director (Blue Box (OEM)), Director (Blue Box Australia), until demise
Sykes Lau -
Vice President of Sales (OEM business) at Blue
Box (OEM) Ltd (from 2005-present), Senior Engineering Manager Tai Sang (2001-2005 - previously at Lok
Tai On Toys Limited)
Ngai Kwan Ng
- Director
(Blue Box
Holdings, 2016)
Wing Wo Sun - Director (Blue Box Holdings, 2016)
Chi Kong Yeung - Director (Blue Box Holdings, 2016)
Chan Kwok Bun - Director (Blue Box (OEM) and Blue Box holdings - current)
Hung Cheong Lau - Director Blue Box (OEM))
Trademark Filed: 29th November 1966
Trademark Granted: 31st August 1971
Trademark and Word Mark Renewed: 5th March
2011
Trademark: BLUE-BOX
Trademark Serial Number: 72259685 ('Blue
cartouche' BLUE-BOX)
Trademark Registration Number: 0919291
Word Mark: Blue-Box
Trademark Serial Number: LMC174144 ('Red
cartouche' RED-BOX)
'Candy
Home' Registered in Canada: 27th November 1984
1957 - First use of "Blue-Box" as branding
1960 - Tai
Sang Industrial Company Ltd., formally founded/registered
Tai
Sang continuing as the wholesale arm for the distribution of games, toys,
hobby goods, and supplies.
Customers of
Blue Box (OEM) Ltd., (from 2005
onwards)
Leapfrog, Brio, Caben, Claessens Kid, Development Plus Inc., Early Learning Centre (ELC), Kolcraft, Laser Pegs, Mimi World, Vivid Imagination.
Customers
of Tai Sang Ind. Co. Ltd., (early
2000's)
Evenflo, Gakken, Golden Bear, Hoberman, Pedigree, Vivid, Worlds Apart, etc....
Additions to listings
Dolls Furniture Series
Settee
722?? - Farm Set (small scale cottage with
trellis and bench, plus 3 people, fences and +/- 20 animals)
81 - Teile
Puppenhaus Mit Einrichtung (German marketed version of the Blue Box dolls house)
Links for Tauber and Canadian registrations
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Will be new entry - Motormax /
Redbox / Red Box / RBI / RBI Holdings Limited / RBI Toys Inc. / RBI Group
Red Box Toy Factory Ltd. - 7/F, Tower 1, South
Seas Centre, 75 Mody Road, Tsimshatsui East, Kowloon, Hong Kong (HK Office
& Showroom)
RBI Toys Inc. - 371 W. Tullock St.,
Rialto, CA 92376-7702, USA (US Office & Warehouse)
Tel : (852) 2722 8000 (HK Office
& Showroom)
Tel : (909) 879-7888 (US Office)
Fax : (852) 2722 8998 (HK Office & Showroom)
Fax : (909) 879-7878 (US Office)
Email : hk@redboxtoy.com (HK Office & Showroom)
Email : sales@rbitoys.com (US Office)
They probably have an admin/liaison presence in the old Blue Box
building in Aberdeen as well.
Trademark registered in US - 1966, first use in Canada (and elsewhere)
by 1964, now expired in US.
The
RBI group, a wholy-owned subsidiary
of Tai Sang and slightly younger
partner/sister to Blue Box is now -
like its sibling - a fully vertically-integrated toy manufacturer;
headquartered in Hong Kong, with production facilities in the Dongguan and
Heyuan provinces of the mainland. A contract manufacturer engaged in OBM, ODM,
and OEM.
As
far as collectors are concerned they lack the high-street branded presence of
their sister Blue Box, except with
the die-cast niche; there found under the Motormax
sub-brand, boasting over 500 moulds in various scales and model kits. They do
however have infant ranges branded to Red
Box
Redbox was legally founded
in 1985 as an autonomous element of the larger Tai Sang group having been raised as a brand in around 1964, before
being formally registered in the US in 1966 and Canada in 1971 where it seems
to have been run as a subsidiery of Blue
Box, a situation that also prevailed in Australia with the importer George Tauber working with Tai Sang's own Australian importer (Blue Box Austrailia Pty. Ltd. - of which
Tauber was MD!)
Other
joint ventures including dolls and Hasbro
knock-off 'action figures'.
The
Motormax sub-brand was formed in 1997
to take advantage of the hand-back of the colonies of Hong Kong and Macau to
mainland China. Inheriting the old Zee/Zylmex
mould-tools, they also seem to have taken-on the workload of Blue Box's Macau die-casting plant as
part of a rationalisation as Tai Sang
transferred and embedded it's production assets on the mainland - it's notable
the Red Box factories (four plants in
two complexes) and Blue Box's (three
separate facilities) are based in different areas of China.
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Will be new entry - Motormax
- See; Redbox and Zee Toys
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Oh
look! Redbox and Blue Box are err...the same company!
Will
be new entry - Tauber, G -
See: George Tauber Imports and Blue Box
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Will
be new entry - George Tauber Imports
449
High Street, Prahran, Victoria 3181, Australia
Flourished
- 1950's-1970's (possibly still in business as late as 1980)
Cable:
Taubertoy
Tel:
51-5242
Agents
for Blue Box (HK), Dee Bee (UK), Dee & Cee (US), Ganz
and Reliable (Canada) Red Box, Tai Sang and Tony Law (CAC; all HK) Uneeda (US, dolls) and Thomas
Salter Toys (UK) among others.
George
Tauber - Owner/founder (also joint director (with Peter Chan Pui and Tony Law) of
Blue Box Australia Pty., Ltd. -
formed 1969)
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You
can see that as we delve into levels of company information, history, and
corporate identity that are far more detailed than I ever imagined most A-Z
entries would ever carry (or require!), the connections between Tai Sang, Redbox and Blue Box only
get ever stronger, while Erwin 'the Cock-wackin' Monkey-Lizard' Sell (happily supported
by Paul 'the Jabbering Fuck' Stadinger) sticks to his entirely [made-up as he
went along] fictitious 'Rivals since...'
line!
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So 2017's shaping-up to be an interesting year . . .
Is
that a rocket in his "plastic small"
or is Erwin just pleased to see me still Blogging? Ably protected by Dr. 'Did I
tell you I'm a psychoanalyst'' Burk while his alta-ego 'Fritz' educates the
masses on Treefrog via his clever-phone - like a smart-phone but as thick as
pig-shit. Darran 'hat somewhat obscured' Hatley's following the bandwagon and
the whole is being carried by Stad's immeasurably-better-than-my-Stuff!
Still
gotta' thank them for the traffic . . . not!
03-01-2017
- Yes
- I know some of the above information is now published in their part
two,
mostly as a result of the stuff published here and on the A-Z entry for
Blue
box in October last, but the four posts published here today (so far -
there's a non-PSTSM one still to come!) were all loaded before Christmas
or between Christmas and the New Year.
As
a lot of their part two is now contradictory to the stuff I've published
today
and as Erwin is clearly getting himself tied in knots trying to maintain
the
line they are not related while publishing tons of stuff proving the
links, I guess
my rebuttal to their Part 2 will be shorter, and you can expect it in a
few
days (maybe by then we will have their part 3 . . I look forward to it.
However it means I may hold back on the planned 'contributions week' as I
don't want other people being or getting unnecessarily associated with
this shit.
I
would also point out that with the publication of their part two they
are (having bitched about my 12,000-odd) over 5,000 themselves, and have
only dealt (badly) so far with one of the main points I raised!
