Erwinwatch - Hing Fat (not DGN)

Or - DGN is for Bullshit!

What could DGN mean? It could perhaps be Direct Gorilla Network? Stretching-it; I'd be the first to admit, but it rolls off the tongue more easily that Overall War Nation! Hey; I'm just putting it out there! Doesn't Generate Nothing? No, then it would have to generate 'something' - double negative! Dirty Gonzo Nudes . . . oooh . . . really? A whole box-full? Doh, the Guy's a Numpty? Yes, that's probably what it could mean.

Don't Grip my Nads - you're making it up as you go along again!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

Early Move

So, last January (2016), he who makes it up as he goes along; one Erwin Sell, got busy making it up as he went along. No! I lie, he'd already convinced Stadinger some time earlier and had been making it up as he went along, going along again, for some time!

Having got Stads to tag all the Hing Fat posts with a 'DGN' tag, he went over to Forum Gratuite de soldat 1:32, and on their Hing Fat WWII (current production) thread, stated the following . . .

"These are wrongly label because distributed as HING FAT but are not ,factory name is DGN-look bellow figure poses and will see label/print with ink. Same company that produced the star wars unpainted sets for HASBRO in 2013/14 on command sets series"

So first question - what evidence is there for a company called 'DGN' having anything to do with Hasbro or the Star Wars Command range? None! He's making it up as he goes along - again. How can you equate the highly engineered Star Wars PVC figures with the blobby polyethylene sub-piracies of Hing Fat's WWII range, or link them to the same manufacturer? Easy - make it up as you go along!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

We Digress

A return to 'summer-bedspread'! There are four variants of base/base marking within the Star Wars Command range; each considerably smaller - as a percentage of the production 'whole' - from the previous type, in the order we'll look at them now - seeking evidence of 'DGN' as we go!

These are the commonest, over half of all Hasbro's figures were smooth based, no frame, no moulded info., no printed info. Rebels have oval cartouche-shaped bases, Imperials have squashed-hexes, a rule which continues across the series, with any 'neutrals' given one faction or the other without so much as a 'by your leave, madam!'

No 'DGN' here?

The next most common figure-base type is the bases of the painted 'one-off' or character figures, these have a small single or double-digit number or letter 'code', placed centrally in what may also have been used as a release pin? Certainly there was a rod inserted into the base with the stamping on the end of it. There are about ten of the previous 'smooth' bases to every one of these.

Click to enlarge - There is no apparent logic or order to the marking system employed with both duplicate numbers between good- and bad-guys and across both good-guys and bad (all depending on your proclivities for/or definition of; good and bad - me being Evilentity Man now, I'm probably rooting for the wrong 'good guys'!), and with one high number, one letter, and one inverted because the wrong stamp set was used, there is nothing of significance to us as collectors, and little to infer, presumably; cavity numbers?

No 'DGN' here either!

The final main type of base in the Star wars Command range is the framed base with commercial data. This is only found on a small number and the only code-like element is the C-001C which looks like it might be a Chinese (central/national) factory code, but it could be a local postcode for all I know, indeed it's equally likely to be 'C' for Command - 001st series! It is found on Imperial troops only, at a rate of around one for every two character figures.

They seem - further - to have been restricted to one wave-set only, the three 7-figure-no-accessory/vehicle sets, so they may be a wave-specific thing, or it may just be a batch-coincidence thing, as I bought all mine as late clearance from two outlets in the same town?

The markings however are reprinted on all the clear-polystyrene bases in all the sets, both studded-flat 'walker' bases and stalked 'flyers',  the lack of figures so marked in those sets with accessories may explain the differential hinted at in the previous paragraph!

Again there is nothing of interest or significance to us as collectors in the marking and 'DGN' is not to be found anywhere on any of the marked bases, nor the vehicles/spacecraft from any sets.

From those same three sets (at one figure per set) we get this sub-variant, tampo- or wheel-printed codes, two per figure; as we will see the upper code is the wave code.

The lower code looks to me like it might be a mould-cavity code, but given the way the modern wave assortments carry the same code on different content boxes (a habit going back to the carded-rack toys and knock-off action figure imports of the 1980's, and consolidated as 'industry standard' by people like Galoob in the '90's) it could be a pack-specific thing, although they are not in a straight sequence? No 'B0834', and no 'DGN'!

Cards have a jet-printed code which we can see mirrors the wave number of the enclosed figures from the previous picture in the case of the two left-hand cards, while the right hand card is the 'control' sample. Still no sign of 'DGN' on any of the packaging, nor is it to be found on the poster or consumer information leaflets, of which there were two slightly different printings - I've kept one of each.

Please note, I don't usually obsess to this level (which is why none of this was in the original six-part Star Wars Command posts), despite being quite obsessive when it come to my 'infant' toys, however you have to study the evidence Erwin quotes to call Erwin out, like all fake, phony, frauds; he weaves a pretty story!

There is no evidence of a 'DGN' being involved with the Hasbro series in any way whatsoever and I don't know how Erwin came to the conclusion there was - dare I suggest he was making it up as he went along again? Of course he was!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

We Return

But back to FGle1:32 . . .

He then waffles-on about the figures, even though this is the second page of a thread and everything he says has already been covered by other contributors, or is self-evident from the many photographs already submitted, but he has to say it all anyway!

"German set consisted of 16 poses.
Japanese 14 poses
Russian,-SAME s Chinese just different colors ,are 10 poses.
Italian and French are 12 poses
US only 12 poses and British (desert/tropical uniform) 12 poses are very close (well done) and sculpted of Matchbox original poses if not the same. Incredible the British’s rifles/weapons are longer and accurate than the ones on original Matchbox .Not the same with US infantry ones!!Germans are some nice poses with very poor helmet/weapon detail but I found out the helmet look more early (Holland=Dutch) type and because of the weapons=machine guns resemble more that army with the exemption of bazooka man and officer, the ones with m38/m43 caps could well be used for Finnish soldiers. Both Finnish and Dutch used similar high mark boots in 1940-1944
Italian are a mix copied from airfix.waterloo and original design intermix design. Very well done in poses and uniforms,weapon are good too.
French are by far the best unique poses, some poses idea resemble Oliver-ex pech hermanons French foreign legion ,wile others are complete new at all.VIVA LA FRANCE!!!
All but Japanese run from 52/55 mm scale well within airfix/matchbox range.
Japanese are smaller, not bad for typical Asian figures as they are generally smaller in live as race.
I did took effort to redistribute and repack all full sets x resale over a year and all are gone ,factory stop making and last bathes were shipped/bough by JUANG HO AND IMEX for repacking resale under their trade mark.
You may see some comments about the poses at this link too.
http://www.stadsstuxxx........."

If it was in any recognised Earth-language, it might be worth a read? But there's the pay-off; in the last lines - another nice, fat, juicy, back-link for his mentor The Jabbering Fuck's Blog, carefully pre-seeded with 'DGN' tags!

Incredibly; the moderator immediately changed the thread-title to reflect this stunning piece of exclusive new information - adding 'DGN' without question!

Then a chap called 'lastwarrior' tried to make sense of it all, and while my French isn't good enough to understand everything he says, and he does seem to end-up [at least] believing in 'DGN', he also makes it quite clear he's not too happy with the lack of either a 'DGN' or Hing Fat mark (empirical evidence - it's absence from 'new' factoids is always a worry!), and wonders if 'DGN' could be a regional code for a Chinese province (you were SO close 'lastwarrior'!).

This was followed-up by 'denitz' posting the Hing Fat catalogue image, from the Hing Fat website, of the sets Erwin wants us all to believe are 'DGN', how dare Hing Fat claim someone else's figures as theirs! But I suspect 'denitz' was closer to my thinking than Erwin's when he posted the image?

But it seems Erwin felt under threat anyway, from all the talk of abbreviations and/or factory catalogue pictures, so he came back with a more detailed 'explanation', He starts off with...

"Let me made some clears and update comments here please with respect."

Well, hardly 'clears' but at least it's short enough to be translatable! As he's about to start making it up as he goes along again, there is NO respect involved. Indeed; as I suggested in October; he has no respect for the rest of the hobby or his fellow collectors whatsoever!

There was a lot of waffle as well; he has got far-more verbose since October! I'll highlight the important bits in red, and annotate in orange for the notes below the [direct] quote . . .

" First DGN is not a region or province from China. That looks like an assumption made off by extraction derivative of second letter to be probably from word-name (GUANGDONG )?The main southern province and largest industrial region with most export import ports of China.
Regardless is a region where most factories are located and yes, possible where the makers is . [1]

Second These sets appear first in 2012 in US distribution before other places as under tubes and plastic bucket container with following clear words in then either under DGN bellow figures and in tubes .

Then appear as distributed/sold by Hing Fat brand with logo in packs only in 2014

And first announced in US in following post-link forum -blog
Were announce first in January 2014 in Stads forum -see link
http://www.stadsstuxxx......... [Another back-link, keep earning The J-Fuck's support]

In the ones mark as DGN of 2012 and 2013,they says it (DGN)in the TUBE,bucket or bag format pack outside …
Exactly as this
Made by “DGN-CH” . [2]
The DGN sold figures come with inc base wording stamp with same brand bellow base or pedestal.
See pictures samples please.

Then a year later(2014) Hing Fat distribute and start selling then.Packs from Hing fat say-(Made in China) -only and Hing Fat logo plus brand name separated not (made by HING FAT)or made for Hing Fat.
Not single Hing Fat figure has any mark or stamp below base.

About HING FAT)
Hing Fat as toy soldiers related seller was first been known in early 1990 for a set of 10 poses pirates ,later cloned and copied by other Chinese brands all around. By then Hing Fat was listed as in Hong Kong.
Hing Fat was funded in 1973 and start selling most toys by 1980s . [3]
http://listings.findthecompany.com/l/270856810/Hing-Fat-Plastic-Manufacturing-Company-Limited-in-Kwun-Tong-Hong-Kong
or
http://www.hingfat.com.hk/index.php?c=1

Yet the Pirates attributed to “”Hing Fat”” brand and still sold by then but in a “7 poses format set only” were also sold also in 1993 by AMSCAN(See picture under Amascan pack bellow)

So Hing fat is not the maker of neither at all as AMSCAN Ltd -”a party supply distributor and owner of several retail stores such PARTY CITY,FCPU and others in US,CANADA and UK” did sold then under their brand same time HF did. [4]

As to who is really maker of those early Pirates attributed to Hing fat is other thematic-. [5]

About DGN logo in figures marked.
The  first 8 WW2 sets-(American,8^th army,Germans,Chinese-Russian,French , Italian and Japanese) that come in late 2012-2013 ,not in 2014 and First reported in Stads forum as link above mentioned IN 2014.

DGN figures Where mark bellow in base(pedestal) as made by DGN see pictures of figures with mark bellow please and date production.
See picture of some samples stamped figures DGN soldiers.

In 2014 I did contact DGN that are a warehouses factories for many cheap line Toy else sellers and distributor [1]. They direct me to the US distributors of their line.D&D distributors
Here in US they distribute in many location,here is main distribution link center in US.
D&D Distributors.
https://dandd.cameoez.com/Scripts/PublicSite/?template=Login&whence=ZGFuZGQuY2FtZW9lei5jb20%3D

You can still order their Army set at very cheap price for resale else from then as well the civil wars sets under the DGN brand pack and mark in figures bellow.
I did reorder and sold distribute then here as well in 2014-2016 as I'm a seller in US as well.

Because the original packs come assorted in not correct all poses format,i took the work to redone then to give buyers all poses per set ,
I did it with the WW2 first 8 sets,the US civil war sets and the Revolution sets too.
Here is the link in stads blog where it was post how I was selling then.
http://www.stadsstuxxx......... [aaaaaaaand - another one!]

In 2015/2016 the revolution and US civil war sets appear again ,now been sold by HING FAT in different pack and large plastic container playset in Amazon ,fun express,Ebay and other site line as well.
As Hing Fat distribute worldwide sine late 80s they move abroad more easy under this brand.
Yet some other distributor (Billy V) also had sold then with their logo mark in packs only too

The Sets sold in Russia are being distributed and sale under Brand (RED CAT )
see link and picture of bags/packs here. No HING FAT.
http://redcat-toys.ru/reflex_search/index/?q=%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8

I had order then from Russia in bulk and selling then online now .
Last note.
The DGN civil war UNION soldiers had been produced in three different blue colors ,see last picture of then please.
While early DGN 2012 production come in light blue, later others under DGN were made in other blue shade colors.
See picture bellow of three main colors done for Union soldiers.

I hope this clear any doubts or question.
Best regards.

Sell Toy",

[1] At the top of the comment he doesn't know where they may be, yet at the bottom of the comment he's been in contact? Anyone who has contacted or tried to contact modern Chinese companies will know that both their websites and eMails are full of corporate headers and footers with so much contact information you can feel confused by the amount, yet somehow he's been in contact without knowing where they are located? Because he's making it up as he goes along again!

And let's look at that later line again "... are a warehouses factories for many cheap line Toy else sellers and distributor", this 'company' covers all the bases, it must be a huge operation, plural warehouses, plural factories, toy sellers (for MANY cheap lines) and distributor, they should have a footprint on the web at least a mile-wide; but . . . err . . . no . . . not a sausage! Not even on Alibaba and they have a thousand [for marketing purposes] made-up-names! Maybe he has a catalogue? No - he's just making it up as he goes along - again.

[2] It's not DGN-CH, it's DGN. CN, which we will see below (the denouement!) is important, but it also shows how he's so keen to weave this particular polished-turd of bullshit tale, he's not actually paying attention to what scant 'evidence' he's relying on for believability.

[3] "Hing Fat was funded in 1973 and start selling most toys by 1980s" Too funny! Does he mean 'founded'? I imagine they started selling before the end of 1973!

[4] He gives no evidence for this wild set of confused claims, I can assure you Amscan are no more than importers, what the US call Jobbers, they've been around for years, carry product from many companies in the Far East and have no connection with a 'DGN'.

[5] He's just told us it's not Hing Fat, but if he doesn't know who it is, how can he know it's not the manufacture who's put their name on some, Amscan are an imprter, Hing Fat are a contract manufacturer, as I've said before several times his knowledge of the HK/China toy industry is literally zero, he'll be posting 'proof' from a Japanese medical list next  - from an office in Port Tain Sang (don't look for it on a map!). And "other thematic" - Priceless!

The rest of it is just waffle, wittering on about other importers/jobbers, Russian sales, set contents, it's all padding, mostly repeating things already posted on the thread by others (he quoted one of their Haribo threads back at them on another Haribo thread and they thanked him! oder war es Heimo; mass nicht!) designed to A) make it seem like he knows what he's talking about and B) take the reader's mind off the fact that he's said he's contacted the company - but doesn't know where it is, or how to produce a link to it - indeed he links to everyone else he's associated with 'DGN', but not 'DGN'!

He then posted no less than seven more comments in a row, most of which carried figures well outside the scope of the thread which was titled '...WWII' - more padding!

He shows packaging from Amscan and some Russian packaging, nothing wrong with either for what they are, he shows D&D packaging, but calls it "...2014-DGN -D&D...", with no evidence to link it to the various claims jumbled into the preceding waffle, and there's nothing on the packaging to link D&D (another jobber - like Amscan) to a 'DGN'.

He shows loose figures of the ACW from Hing Fat, suggesting some are 'DGN' with no empirical evidence, but if you repeat a lie often enough - simple men will believe you!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

The Denouement

Then he also shows these . . .

Screen-capture - for research purposes

Suitably cropped, distorted and re-rendered in sepia

What we have here are two tampo- or wheel-printed codes, they are becoming quite common on figures, but have been common on other toys for well over a decade. They can - as we saw with the Star Wars stuff above - have many reason-d'être, from production codes, quality assurance or batch numbers, codified or plain commercial-data, line/wave codes, &etc.

The second-line is D&D's batch coding, leading you to their home page where you find "We use batch code www.ddst.us for CPSIA [The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act] Section 103 tracking purposes"

The first lines read:

11/13 DGN, CN

and

11/12 DGN, CN

However, we must remember the Chinese read things backwards (or the other way from us, to them we are backwards! And as they outnumber us, technically - they are right!), so turning it round we get

CN, DGN 11/13

and

CN, DGN  11/12

What we actually have here is a simple production code, abbreviated (Brownie-point for 'lastwarrior') to fit on the base in a readable fashion and font-size, it means or translates to:

China; Design 11 [of/from] 13

and

China; Design 11 [of/from] 12

There is no 'DGN'.

What it actually means is 'design'. That's all folks! Dgn. is an abbreviation for the word 'design', pure and simple . You can also get DA, Des, Desg, Dsg., Dsgn., and Dsn., given it's already a short word, all a bit excessive I think you'll agree! Were I to need to abbreviate design I would use the fuller "Dsgn." (leaving out only the vowels) to avoid leaving room for the likes of Erwin Sell to generate bullshit!

While CN (not 'CH') is the international designator (and .url-code) for the Peoples Republic of China - because Switzerland nicked CH first! He has invented a whole group of 'warehouses, factories . . . else', from two base marks he can't read, while most (or too many) of the active, on-line hobby have gone along with it for 16-odd months!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

Again!

'DGN' was invented by Erwin Sell, making it up as he went along again, because - at the time - he still thought he was getting away with all the Blue Box and Redbox and other shit he'd been spouting on Stad's Stuff since he hit the ground bullshitting in the spring of 2015.

But it's not just a gullible moderator at FGle1:32 (I'm pleased to report they've dropped the 'DGN' in the last week or so!); a couple of the Russian dealers have taken to including 'DGN' in their evilBay listings (one of the reasons why it's an 'evil'-bay!), while Stadinger - as I've said - had already re-tagged all his posts.

This invented, false, non-existing company is all over the internet (as far as our hobby goes) because of the unquestioned, sometimes encouraged activities of one fuckwit - but there is no 'DGN'.

I said back in October 2016, if Erwin was encouraged, or allowed to keep getting away with it, he would damage the hobby, I repeated that in January, he has been encouraged and he has been allowed to get away with it (not by me!) and that damage is now occurring.

I also said he was a fake, a fraud and a phony and that he makes it up as he goes along - nothing I've  seen or heard recently from him has changed my mind, indeed with all the crap over Basa (Erwin's reward for these three back-links?), I've only added Paul Stadinger (his mentor) to the bullshitter's list.

Hing Fat, like most China producers, are primarily 'contract manufacturers', and all the figures issued by all the companies mentioned in Erwin's wittering have been manufactured by Hing Fat; period.

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

Here's How It Works

Most of us see two and another two and assume four, we keep assuming four until we see 2 + 2 = 4 in the same place (a catalogue say), thereafter we proselytise Four Inc. as fact, with the sum of the empirical evidence - the catalogue.

Erwin sees two, sees a similar thing which looks like it 'could' be two, makes five and tell everyone 'It's Five Inc. all else.' as fact.

When someone questions him he uses frown-emoticons, point-at-rule-book-emoticons or a long string of question marks, once I think he's even used the wag-finger-emoticon.

On Stad's he used to use a handful of spurious eBay links and a temper-tantrum! Now he just bores his questioner to death with 7 comments - each correcting the previous, as he frantically Google's more 'fact stuff'.

Eventually he comes back with a long, convoluted story (in an unrecognised language) which might include his corresponding with the company (Basa, 'DGN'), visiting it's factories (Blue Box), lots of links to relatively unrelated or non-empirical sources, a back-link to the Jabbering Fuck and usually includes a mention of how he's a big-shot dealer in the US who handled tons of Fives, all marked - in marked packaging, with 'rare' colour variations. Recently he's been adding Google-translations, plagiarised from someone else's book.

Then I point-out it's really Four Inc.!

.  ..  ....._-_-_-_-==========■==========-_-_-_-_.....  ..  .

The Other Suspects

There's a DGM (with an 'm', that's an M; not an N), they make whitemetal OO-gauge compatible motorcycles for model railway enthusiasts (including a piracy of the Airfix scooter from the old 'Civilians' set), but no 'DGN'.

Further away, you have Detlef Gummersbach (DGB), Dave Grossman Collections (DGC), Dorfner Grafik Design (DGD) and DG-France (DGF?) all involved with toys or collectables and don't let us get started on 'DRGM'! But no 'DGN'

Because Erwin Sell was making it up as he went along - again.

Other DGN's

DGN - Defense Guidance Notes

DGN - Differential Global Navigation [System]

DGN - Digital Group Number (computing)

DGN - Director-General, Navy/Naval...

DGN - Director-General, Nursing

Dgn. - Dragoon (cavalry type)

DGNS - Director-General National Service (UK, obsolete)

DGNS - Director-General, Nursing Services

Dgns. - Dragoons (plural, cavalry type)

As DGN (or .dgn) it is also a file format (rival to Autodesk's .dwg as .jpg'ed here sometimes) for CAD-graphics, meaning . . . er . . . design!

News, Views, etc . . . a Couple of Links

= Are they defending healthy food, or are they launching an advance to contact a juicy burger out of shot? Maybe they are guarding the - basic salad  - ingredients for onward placing in a burger! I think this is healthist, fake-news, alternative-fact, bogus, evil entity propaganda!

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/military-toy-soldiers-defending-healthy-food-127970519?src=B936E7CC-804C-11E2-9B6C-EE6D9EA4A24C-22-49



= Mending toys, mending hearts

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/toy-soldiers-adelaide-mens-shed-helping-to-heal-hearts-and-souls-of-abused-exservicemen-and-women/news-story/4dd59d62800457a90ce8e90432ae13c8



= Have we had these before? Kids'll love 'em, but why is something so London-centric being offered in a dollar price?

https://r-atelier.myshopify.com/products/journaling-planner-stickers-02



= Future of gaming?

http://www.techsqrd.com/tag/toy-soldiers/

Q is for Quintuplet of Queries

Best Q-title ever!

So here, indeed are five 'unknowns'

The first one is a real mystery, he's polystyrene or an earlier phenolic resin type which suggests France, he equally looks a bit Spanish, yet the cap-badge on his blanket (those must have a posh title?) resembles the Woffer's, who had a 'Derby-ram' as their regimental mascot, for years? 54 or 60mm Compatible

This chap is soft polyethylene, and looks to belong with those Argentinian Indians we looked at the other day (as far as paint gloss and plastic goes), but he is better finished, better detailed and better painted, again the yellow base could be Spanish or French? Small'ish 54mm.

Whenever I see 'odd' ceremonials, especially in tropical or summer dress, I tend to think Monaco; tourist novelty! But they can't all be, and the thought's irrational anyway! The pose is odd, as the rifle-drill position is 'For Inspection - Present Arms' but he's on the march? Maybe in his army there's a 'For Comfort - Hug Arms' command!

This one was - I suspect - once in a vulcanised rubber, but he has now taken on the consistency of chalk or plaster (and was in two bits when I got him) which may be what he always was? Heading for a larger 60-mil size.

Game-playing piece or board-game target/objective token? Seems to be quite an early plastic 'thing' which has been carved straight into the mould tool with drills and a mouth stamping! He/she (what sex were Sphinxes?) could also be designed to be glued to something as a decorative ornament with the angled-blob behind the 'fascia' used to locate the item until it's fixed? No more than 15/18mm at most. Arcade token?

Not in the Plastic Warrior 'Hilco Special' publication (my first port-of call with these 'from hollow-cast' plastics), and the Joplin has gone back to Etheridge library (or wherever I got it from!), so? Clues? He's a pretty standard 54mm, prone firer, who looks a bit Hilco, a bit Sacul?

Anyone got any ideas on any of these?

Stadswatch / Erwinwatch - Back to Basa'ics !

Alternatively - G is for the Grinding Poverty of Intelligence in the PSTSM

In which we find Paul Stadinger changes his mind, proves me right and yet apparently claims it as a victory? My bits in green.

. .. ---====================--- .. .

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC. Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Posted on April 23, 2017 by admin

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Beyond parody, beyond fucking-paraody!
Thick as pig-shit

we are back again on the subject of the Res Plastic Romans. In Hugh Walter Strikes and Hits Again (glad you agree with me - "...hits again...'' - too funny!) we responded to Hugh’s attack on BASA Romans that Erwin had shown. Hugh claimed that they were Res Plastic (I showed - with a screen-cap of Erwin's post - they were) and had been imported into Peru (some were!).  He based that on a RP on the back of his figure (no; on the back of Erwins figure, my figure was to prove the point). Problem is the ones from Peru do not have the RP (but Erwin said they were? I'm all 'mix and confuse'). We stated BASA was known (by whom? Evidence) for buying molds (evidence?) of other companies and produced them there in Peru.  At that point it should have been end of the story (why?). Instead Hugh has decided to continue his attack.  He feels that we are trying to cover up the truth (because you are; not covering up the truth - covering up your previous bullshit). Hugh has become so much like those conspiracy writiers that I see in the alternate media.

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Coma Plastic

Since Hugh has continued his attack I did more research into the matter (but? You've already given us the definitive 'truth'? When you accused me of 'missing again'?). My first stop was Plastic Warrior Roman Special  by Peter Evans (ah yes! The publication you've been re-posting as Erwin-fact on and off for the last 18 months!). Peter has a Roman figure running with sword in the air on the page 8 under Italian production (no there isn't, there are two on page 5 and one on page 9?). The figure is in silver. Peter has classified the figure as Coma not Res Plastic! The figure under discussion, and mentioned by yourselves last time was on page 35, it is RP - it belonged to me, no one has questioned the origins of Coma's figures, nor the figures on page 5 or 9, still - nice attempted deflection! And Peter might be wrong?

Erwin's figure - not mine!

The figures you both originally said weren’t there, even though they were and which you - here - are now saying aren’t the right ones at all, neither [apparently] are the ones you said were last time! Too funny.

If you are right here, will Erwin be going back to the forum and explaining he made it all up as he went along again? Some hell-of-a-correcting needed there - if you're right here?

With that piece of information (? Too funny) I checked the internet for information on Coma.  I found out that Coma did  figures in the 60’s and 70’s (no one has claimed they didn't, indeed they've been quite well-documented now?). Also I found a Coma catalog on line.  The catalog  had a history of the company.

 Here is  comment on their figures from their catalog I have translated it into English.

“soldiers in soft plastic unstained (scale 1:32), 55 mm height, including Alpini, infantry marine and Bersaglieri, Musketeers, Marines, Roman Legionnaires, Barbarians, Southerners, mediovali, Avieri, sold in packs of 6 figures That's Google-translate not you-translate! Nothing's straight with you two!

http://www.rivarossi-memory.it/Altre_Marche/Edilmec-Coma/Edilmec-Coma.htm

Notice the above section gives that the Romans are 55mm height and in packs of six figures.  The Romans from BASA are six different and 55mm in height (last time you were telling us they were definitely the smaller ones!).  So the mold that BASA has (evidence?) is the Coma not Res Plastic. Says who, what evidence? You have now - between the two of you - tried to pass three different sets of figures off as being the definitive made by Basa ones, when they probably only imported a single type!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Roman Figure

[He then shows three pictures of what is clearly and without question an Italian (not Peruvian) Co-Ma/CoMa/Coma (take your pick, everyone else does) figure, a figure which has never been under suspicion, nor have its origins been questioned, or at least; not by me]

I went through my figure collection and found that I had the above Roman figure.  The figure  was measured. He was found to be 55mm.  I have tried to blow up the photo of the back of the figure. Unfortunately the black color of the figure does not help. It does not have any markings (why would it? It's Coma). This is a Coma Roman. It is, well done.

I also looked at two Res Plastic merry men (? What sort of a comparison is that?! Different size, different series, different material!) that had been produced in South America (By whom? DSG?) I did find any marking (?). Hugh has shown no hard documentation that it is a Res Plastic (what is? The merry man?).  so typical of typical someone is a conspiracy writier.? A conclusion without logic; from a sentence which makes no sense!

I've shown you a screen cap of Erwins RP figure; the one he claimed was Basa, then claimed wasn't there and shots of the RP figure on page 35 of Peter's book - which was the figure you were claiming-for last time you tried to draw a line under this!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy The Secret Empire

Hugh like so many other conspiracy writiers (yeah! Those 'writiers' they get everywhere, shouldn't be allowed!) has to have some evil entity (WTF? Still toooo funny! Call me 'Evilentity Man'!). He calls me the Penn State Toy Soldier Mafia (no I don't, stop bigging-yourself up, I refer to a grouping of East-coast gobshite's as the PSTSM, you just run the scandal-sheet). There is a problem with that name it so bogus (baby-talk). Penn State is a university which I have no association with or want (more baby-talk).  Mafia is negative term and offensive to Italians (oh boo-hoo, you pathetic, shrinking violet!).  I do not head any secret group (who said it was secret?).  My web site has a goal of sharing information on toy soldiers.  We let people know new production, share information on old figures and promote collector’s projects. We have no secret agenda, we just want to fun. Whine, whine, fucking-whine!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Hugh like most conspiracy writiers (Those bloody 'writiers' again, aren't they German knights?) have to add things that do not anything to do with the main topic (what? And you're not just about to! Too funny).  In his attack on the BASA Plastic  Hugh had (I didn't have to, I chose to) to make swipes at me.

1. I have not made a comment in his site (no - you've made several!).  I have a policy on not commenting  on an adversarial (there - you said it, took you a while, over six months (probably longer); but there's the truth, and that's why you fall-out with everybody - you see them all as 'adversaries'; competitors, not fellow-collectors) site. This goes back to when Tom Terry of PFPC took a photo I send him  to make fun of me. It was because I would not bow to his will on a certain matter. Someone-else you've fallen-out with Paul? What "certain matter"? He was probably right!

What's this then - Scotch mist?

Liar! (again!)

Are you too stupid to remember you commented on my Blog, do you believe you didn't? Or are you so delusional and arrogant you thought I'd be too stupid to know where they are a few days after I pointed out they were there? Too funny - whichever way the stupidity flows.

2.  Several cracks of us being drunk (wrong - read it again - dumb-fuck).  I drink very little alcohol.  At most I will have a glass of wine or half a can of cider. in a day.  I was even this way years before my Atrial fibrillation. I know Erwin is the same way.  To even impile (ouch!) that a person is drunk  without knowing the truth is reprehensible. Wayne; you hear the man - you're reprehensible!

It was Wayne - not me! Fuckwit! I just pointed out the idiotic logic of the comment! You are too stupid Stadinger, really, how can you get this from my pointing out the latent hypocrisy hidden in Wayne's misguided attempt at humour (made on a Sunday, on a post posted on err . . . a Sunday)? I didn't say anyone was drunk - I pointed out that if I was 'in my cups' because it was a weekend when I posted (Wayne's hinted inference), then all those whose comments and posts were made on weekends (including those by you, Erwin and other PSTSM'ers), must be assumed to involve alcohol as well, Jesus! Stad, you're as thick as pig-shit.

Child abuse is 'reprehensible', what the West have done in Iraq and Afghanistan is 'reprehensible', walking away from the Paris Climate Agreement Treaty is 'reprehensible'; calling someone drunk when they're not [which I didn't anyway] is mildly annoying at worst Stad, you melodramatic, over-excitable, drama-queen!

[Wayne - at worst; you mildly annoyed me!]

3. I am shadowing him.  I only look at his site. Before his attacks on Erwin I would see his spiel on the items he had found. Now I have to look at his silly attacks on Erwin and me.  You've just shadowed me for the whole of June! You regularly . . No; do you know what - separate post for this one!

4. Complaint about me blogging about shows I have not attended. There are many shows I would like to attend but due to various reasons I cannot. People who go are kind enough to share their photos and/or  their impressions of the show. The people are fully credit. It is one of our most popular features.  I have done a lot of my own reporting on shows. Ditto

I could go on but I see no further reason to continue to defend Erwin and myself from these bias and other wrong statements. Then you "go on" anyway! . . . Too funny!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy  Hugh Stupid Move HEAY! Don't knock my 'Move', man, it's got me more tail-action than my 'Stand Still'!

Hugh not content to just attack Erwin and me attacked the people who made a comment. This was so wrong on so many levels including possible copyright violations (WTF? Quoting people in full and crediting them, by name, for their own idiocy is not a copyright anything - too fucking stupid).  It is typical of a bully trying to scare people. Problem for Hugh it has the opposite effect.  These people will see what jerk he is and will not support him (I've had to ask people not to support me, and rescheduled things to prevent others getting drawn-in, not something which bothers the members of the PSTSM).  Hugh attacks one of the responders Darren Hatley twice. First because Darren a fellow Englishman Hugh felt he should side with him. (I don't think he should side with me, and never said so, indeed I wouldn't want him to; his sycophancy makes my skin crawl. I do think he's wrong to side with a couple of idiot fuckwits, but reading his comment below I guess it's simply 'birds of a feather'?) Second time Hugh claims he is a fake name (err... no, I said someone else thought he might be). Darren is real. I have told him if he is ever at a show that Paul Morehead of Plastic Warrior to show his photo id. Aurh! Childish, schoolyard stuff, isn't it Paul?

I would not go against any of the people who comment on his site.  His recent attack did not any comments. Translation please? I've asked people not to comment, it's my fight, started by you! And people who comment on posts of this kind - on either site - are lowering themselves to the level of the gutter, getting involved, and can't complain if their comments are subsequently scrutinised - it's called fair play and free speech!

Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC.  Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy Final Thoughts

So through empirical proof (an Italian catalogue on an Italian site about an Italian toy company is not empirical-anything of anything Peruvian!) we  have show these [this] figures are [is] Coma not Res Plastic (well . . you've just identified you figure correctly as being Coma (Italian) and changed your mind from the 'Srikes Again' post; now between the two of you, you have contradicted each-other and yourselves, you've shown - here - a Coma figure no one is arguing with, you haven't shown it's Basa just claimed it is; your third choice of definitive Basa figure!).  Hugh has not shown  any documented information other one figure is marked with a RP (Erwin's screen-capped figure is marked RP, my figure was marked RP?). Like so many other conspiracy writiers he will cling is misinformation. I proved Erwin was bullshitting, that's all I needed to do, That Basa imported or carried some figures from Coma, Res or DSG is not and never has been at question. That they made them is still in question, while that the RP's in Erwins original post were Basa product was clearly a falsehood.

You have shown no evidence - empirical or otherwise - for Basa's production (or mould-holding) AND; have passed three sets of figures off as being 'definitely' the Basa ones. And indeed - I guess from the above you are struggling to comprehend what 'empirical' evidence is.

Hugh is like a person I know named Don. Don is the same way as Hugh very opinonated (damn right! You only get one life! Don't waste it being a worm). I saw Don being showed his information was wrong and going back wrong information the next day.  Today Don is shunned by his former friends as they tired of his attitude. I suspect Don is yet another of the many you have fallen-out with, you're a serial-offender Stad! Why don't you support and promote the US magazines, as I do ours? Because you've fallen out with them!

In regards to Hugh I am not going to waste anymore time on him (you've said that before!). He can go rant on his site all he wants. We will continue to publish our articles.  I am sure he will publish another 14 pages of diatribe drivel. Hahahaha! If you're going to throw my vocabulary back at me you really should Google it so that you comprehend the words you're using and understand how to use them! Drivel, yeah, Diatribe, absolutely, drivellous diatribe even, maybe, at a pinch, but "diatribe drivel" . . . oh dear!

. .. ---====================--- .. .

10 Responses to Coma Plastic, Res Plastic, BASA ETC. Hugh Walter’s Conspiracy

Here we go! More people wanting to get involved, wanting to stick their oar-in, get their beef off their chest, not bullies, oh no, I'm the bully, little old me, all by myself; responding!

Mark T. says:

April 24, 2017 at 2:16 AM

The personal attacks on you and Erwin are really uncalled for and quite bizarre, especially considering the argument is over obscure decades-old toy soldiers. Life is too short for this sort of thing. Mr. Walter really ought to just drop this whole matter before it consumes him. I once had a friend who let a minor disagreement get the better of him like this and sadly, it just snowballed and took over his whole life. You have to know when to let it go. Every word of this applies equally to the above wittering of Stadinger? But then they do say you guys don't do irony!

That aside, the more I read about this conflict, the more I want to get myself some sets of those Romans and Barbarians. Me too! Race you to ebay.it

See other comment below.

admin says:

April 24, 2017 at 8:55 AM

I surprised that I have only the one figure. (yet you feel it's right to attack me for only one - too funny) It will be something I will be looking for as well.
I have decided to no longer bother with him as I too many other things in life to do. That turned out to be another lie! Didn't it?

erwin says:

April 24, 2017 at 9:17 AM

COMA space,romans and Viking or barbarians as well musketeers ,Knights and marine infantry-not sailors sets are the hardest to get complete.I do not know why if less produced or what .
I got most set complete minus musketeers and knights
The Viking were sold with a ship too. I have it, just missing craft sail,boat is about 12″ long with oars and made of plastic.
COMA before do kits cars and airplanes launch a series of early 1900s all plastic cars ,very nice in 1.32 scale great for gangsters era scenes .These are more common around ,is from this line they made some boats and ships too in simple plastic few pieces attached together.
best… If I possessed an Erwin-to-English translator - I'd probably manage a pithy comment here!

Darren Hatley says:

April 24, 2017 at 4:05 PM

As ive said before, I have the Coma/Ex-res Vikings and Romans, The Vikings are really nice figures with Good detail and are 55mm tall. The Romans on the other hand look like recasts to me, The detail isn,t so good and they are about 48mm tall. I will have to dig them out and give more detail if I can. (you guessed 48mm without digging them out? Erwin!)
As far as Hugh Walters attacks on me, And saying I dont exist (yawn - I didn't, I suggested you 'might not' following a conversation with someone else!), I feel I should make a comment here. I think its a weird thing to say and quite funny really. I dont know what hes problem is and I am who I say I am. Im just a guy from England in my 40s who collects, Converts and Paints Toy Soldiers and who likes to regularly come onto this site to see what figures are being talked about, What New figures are coming out, And to talk with like minded indeviduals about this Great hobby. Although ive never met him Erwin has known me for at least 10 to 15 years and im on Facebook. I like Mysteries and Conspiracy theories, But im not a member of the Majestic 12 Lol. I wont be mentioning Mr Hugh Walters anymore, As Paul says lets draw the line under this. The more you say - the less I'm inclined to believe you! You're certainly sharing a keyboard with the other two, or don't they have spall-chockar in Norfolk!

George Albany says:

April 25, 2017 at 6:09 PM

Y’know, the last time Hugh Walter was mentioned here, I looked at his site, figured I’d see what he was talking about. Seems to me that he gets awfully upset about toy soldiers, who made them, and what other people have to say about it. For cryin’ out loud, it’s a hobby, not nuclear science. I really don’t care what company made some relatively obscure figures, and if I did, I think I’d respond to the person I disagreed with by saying, “Erwin/Dareen/Mark/Paul, etc., I don’t think you are right. I think company B not company A made those Romans/Vikings/Germans/Waterloo figures.” (You're forgetting Stad bans commentators as quick as he begs his mates to comment!) Heck, this is supposed to be fun. A little good natured disagreement is fine, I often have good natured disagreements with friends who share other hobbies and sometimes, it can be interesting. Life is too short to get your blood pressure up over your hobby. Or so I think. Every word of this applies equally to the above wittering of Stadinger? But then they do say you guys don't do irony!

Have you two met?

George, this is Mark T, Mark - meet George Albany! You're both deliberately missing the point (out of misplaced loyalty to Stadinger?). Apart from the Basa post all mine have been in response to, as rebuttals of, or defending myself from the attacks of Stads and Erwin and/or their confused lies and made-up bullshit! And this post of Stadinger actually proves my Basa post was correct.

Wayne W says:

April 26, 2017 at 12:26 AM

I guess I would feel special as my comments have seem to have aroused Hugh’s ire. I said I “would” feel special except that about everyone who has commented on this site has drawn a response (if you comment you are choosing to get involved, if you throw a rock at someone, there are no rules limiting him to only throwing a rock back, he may chose to shoot your knees off, slit your gizzard and peg you out for the vultures after covering your genitals in gravy, that's the gamble you take when you chose to throw the rock - all's fair in love and war, Stads and Erwin declared war on 17th December last, they're just not very good at fighting it). So I’m part of the PSTSM, are there dues? Meetings? Do we have a secret handshake? I'll explain in a forthcoming post - but only you can decide if you're in it . . . or out of it.

For the most part, I’m going to follow George’s and my own advice and not let this get to me. Life is too short and I’ve been on “given” – or “borrowed” time the last thirty-five years as it is – it kind of puts things in perspective.

The only reason I even mention Hugh’s post (in which he did misquote me at least once (no I didn't! I quoted you in full, once, by cutting and pasting your comment in its entirety 'with all faults' just as I have here)) is I feel I owe Hugh an apology over the “in the cups” remarks – which, like another comment were meant in the spirit of trying to lighten the mood. I seem to recall Hugh mentioning tossing a few on another forum, but it’s been awhile and that site is no longer with us so I cannot check and make sure it was him or another. As it is I seem to have offended or hit a nerve – in either case I apologize. And I’m posting here because here is where I committed the offense. Apology accepted, now stay out of this for fucks sake - I know you’re a nice guy . . . really!

I have to admit I haven’t touched an “adult beverage” in decades. As another has said, “I didn’t like the person I became when I drank – and folks around me didn’t, either.” Besides, a guy who was declared dead from banging his head in a parachute accident probably doesn’t need to drink anyway.

As I said, I will follow my own advice and not let the nasty dudes get me down. No, Hugh, I DIDN’T use the “word.” I’m surprised you think that makes me a “wuss.” I had to use profanity as an Army NCO because most of the time my troops didn’t take me seriously if I didn’t punctuate my instructions with a four letter word here and there; but the idea of having to cuss to be a man, well, I kind of grew out of that somewhere shortly after high school. It’s a shame we are separated by thousands of miles and can communicate only online, otherwise we might be better able to take better stock of each other. Wayne - stop digging . . . please?

As it is, right now I feel like George Segal watching Liz and Dick tear into each other online. Maybe everyone needs to back off in a corner and count ten? I know I will. Just watch from the sidelines; 'my people' (if there is such a thing) are content to watch!

'Dick tear'? Eeeessh!

admin says:

April 26, 2017 at 9:27 AM

Wayne as I said in my post of I done with Hugh. I feel I have done enough for people to realize what kind of person he is. I know he will go around besmirching Erwin’s and my reptuations. I am going to waste anymore time on him (you already have! Twice). I have far more important things to do.

Wayne W says:

April 26, 2017 at 4:42 PM

I believe that is a wise course, Paul. Pity he couldn't stick to it!

Bill Nevins says:

April 26, 2017 at 12:42 PM

Could not agree more, Paul.
Not worth the time or effort. Whatever . . . missed the bus on that one Bill, he attacked me again twice while I was trying to take Wayne's "count ten".

Dennis DeRusha says:

April 26, 2017 at 4:02 PM

Hi Stad, read your piece on Hugh. He sounds like a complete and utter fool. Somewhere in England a village has lost its idiot.Take care and keep up the good work
Tanks Dennis DeRusha You should comment more often Dennis, try and add some colour to the five-out-of-seven-are-Erwin's comments! Oh, and you're an ignorant cunt! You're the little rat-shit with the knife at the back of the gang, only stepping-in when you think it's safe to do so; cunty-little-cunt-like.

. .. ---====================--- .. .

. . .I'll drop the green . . .

"Conspiracy . . . Bogus . . . Alternative Media", it's the language of Trump's dwindling inner-circle! The language of Fox News and Breitbart! Too funny, too fucking-funny for words. Was he picking what he thought looked to be suitable phrases out of the National Enquirer!!!

Something else which comes across very strongly above; humourlessness; half of it goes over his head like an aeroplane, the other half is taken literally! "He calls me the Penn State Toy Soldier Mafia", too funny! Then there's the drama-queen semantics; "Reprehensible . . . Evil Entity . . . So many levels"! Oh God! The world will end if someone doesn't do something about me!

To which must be added the constant hypocrisy, attacking my one figure yet expecting the world to accept everything he attaches to his, denying comments he's made, calling me a conspiracist even as he adds a third layer of confused bullshit to their Basa falsehoods and guesswork, calling me a bully when it's two of them with the PSTSM in tow! Attacking me for 'going off-subject', then going off-subject! The irony is totally lost on him, he lectures 'the reader' on the damage I might be doing to my Blog or reputation, with no nod to the fact he's doing the same, first, in an illiterate, nonsensical scrawl!

As a matter of fact, because 6-700 of you pretend I don't exist, or that you haven't found my Blog despite visiting every day (and nicking lots of images - eh? Soft Mirof - you know you can get little blue pills for that now?), or are [probably] too embarrassed by my antics to want to acknowledge me; I don't have a 'reputation' to worry about - bargain!

AND - unlike Stadinger - I have no delusions as to my place in the great scheme of things; future worm-food walking, that's me, that's all of us.

. .. ---====================--- .. .

If you're struggling to understand or follow the developments in this saga - one battle in a war - here's a quick, simplified round-up;

He who makes it up as he goes along; one Erwin Sell, originally posted a thread on Forum Gratuit le soldatplastique-1-32, in which he lectured with his usual unreadable style about Basa and claimed the figures accompanying the lecture were Basa's, manufactured by Basa in Peru - they weren't, they were marked, Res Plastic's (RP) figures, from Italy; ethylene piracies of styrene Coma originals.

Because of the on-going war with this pair of numpties, I posted to that effect and further pointed out that Basa were a Jobber/Importer, not specifically a manufacturer (although they did manufacture, especially latterly; big, brash polypropylene infant toys in the 2000's), adding that Erwin was making it up as he went along - again.

The terrible two then posted their 'Hugh Walter Strikes and Misses Again' post ([ http://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=8882 ] - I haven't missed yet), in which - using a second set of figures with dodgy hex-driver melt-marks approximately where the RP signs should be (?!) -  they denied that Erwin had been using RP figures.

Erwin then went back to FGle1:32 and tried to drag them into it, posting the new figures, but leaving the old images up! Meanwhile someone was drawing to my attention that the RP figure moulds went to DSG, who are in South America, but Argentina, not Peru.

I then posted my 'Hugh Walter Strikes and Hits Again' post, in which I used a screen-cap of Erwin's figure to show he was now lying (some more), and pointing out that they were now showing those new figures, the mixed, confused nature of the post, the greater confusion in the comments and Erwin even seeming to admit to confusion in one comment.

We then got the Stad's Stuff post (reproduced above with annotations), in which he switches allegiance to the Coma originals, admitting (without even realising it) that I was right all along (so he should now apologise for the 'Strikes Again' shit - no, of course he won't!) by contradicting everything said (as fact) in both Erwin's original thread on FGle1:32 and everything in their joint 'Strikes Again' post on Stad's Stuff. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

Now - some facts . . . err . . . some more drivellous diatribe!

Coma in Italy made some toy Romans, they were (apparently!) 55mm tall and they are (brittle) polystyrene plastic, have separate plug-in weapons and are highly sought-after, especially in Italy. There is a metallic maroon original on page five of the Plastic Warrior 'Roman Special' publication with minimal silver-paint highlights and a silver standard-bearer on page 9, unpainted.

Res Plastics also Italian (with the RP-in-a-circle mark) copied them some years later in golden or gunmetal polyethylene - among other colours, these were smaller (50-odd mm) and have integrally-moulded weapons and some pose changes/simplifications to assist moulding - separate weapons allow for more complicated posing/undercuts. They were quite common a few years ago. You can find examples on page five (gunmetal) and page 35 (red - possibly carried by DS/Mehanotechnika - and gold) of the above-mentioned publication.

A third set of figures has appeared with strange hex-bit shaped depressions in them.

The Res Plastics moulds were sold to DSG in Argentina, who may or may not have run them, may or may not have supplied Basa, and may or may not have removed the RP-mark before or after any number of mould-runs.

Basa imported or carried toy figures.

Basa may have carried the Coma figures (60-something years ago ) as Paul Stadinger maintains above?

Basa may have carried the smaller, strange figures with hex-bit melt-holes (but when?), as they both maintained in their 'Strikes Again' post? These may be ex-Res from DSG?

Basa may have carried the RP figures (within the last 20/25 years) shown in the orginal FGle1:32 scale thread? But they didn't make them, if they did carry them they may have got them from either RP or DSG

The Coma figures date from the 1950's

The RP figures date from the 1990/2000's (as RP) or possibly later (as DSG), they were common on the early toy soldier sites back at the start of the 'Web.

I can't say anything about the third set with the hex-bit holes - if they are even a 3rd type? They are however - suspicious! That's not conspiracy, that's fact.

Basa did not manufacture the figures originally used by Erwin in his FGle1:32 thread with the RP mark.

. .. ---====================--- .. .

Neither Erwin nor Paul Standinger in their three threads/posts have proven or shown with any serious evidence whatsoever which of the three (?) figure types were actually carried by Basa, they have failed to explain when these figures were 'carried' (there's 50-60 years between the potential dates) and have failed to prove any evidence of production by Basa.

Stad has proven that his Roman is Coma!

I have proven that Erwin's original figures (and mine) are Res Plastics

They have in fact both/each now passed two different sets of figures off as being made/manufactured by Basa. Erwin starting with pictures of the RP's and changing to hex-bit holes in the 'Strikes Again' post while Stadinger joined-in with hex-bit holes, changing to Coma here/above. All three types being delivered - separately - as THE ones, as fact! I've already said you can't make this shit up.

That is - of course - ignoring the greater confusion hidden in the 'Strikes Again' post and its comments section (as highlighted in my rebuttal) to keep it simple here.

They have both contradicted themselves, and each other, and proved my original point correct; that Erwin on FGle1:32 was making it up as he goes along again.

They have now both been making it up as they go along for some time. And if Erwin's original claim to have been in correspondence with Basa carried any weight he would have had the evidence to close this down months ago, but like his Blue Box factory visits; which his own 'research' in December proved to be false (with one factory closing before he was born and another closing while he was an infant - something I'd suggested back in October of last year); the Basa correspondence too; was just bullshit, made-up as he went along.

He's been using the same trope with DGN Hing Fat recently . . . but that's for another post.

And here's the news - I don't know or particularly care which figures Basa made, imported or carried, or when, there are very good South American collectors who will sort that out.

But I do know Erwin started with a false premise, pontificated bullshit on FGle1:32, made it up as he went along - again - and the Jabbering Fuck joined-in to protect his cock-wackin', chattering, pet monkey-lizard, neither of them know, either . . . nor did they ever - they just won't admit it!

. .. ---====================--- .. .

Here's a thought - They have - between the pair of them - most of the RP figures, most of the Coma figures and the rather dodgy hex-bit hole figures. If they had got together and posted a comparison article with all of them, mentioning all the connections with the odd 'probably', 'maybe' or question mark, a couple of sweeping generalisations and no facts they couldn't prove (the sort of articles I do here occasionally), it would have been a super post, one we all would have enjoyed, learned from and downloaded to our files, linked too in the future, returned to for reference . . .

. . . but instead, Erwin went and made some Basa shit up as he went along (again!), on a third-party site, Stadinger defended him and they've since dug a deeper and deeper and deeper hole which only serves to advertise the fact they knew nothing detailed about Basa, its history, or its product inventory, but wanted to be believed, as experts on Basa, anyway! Now they've confused the issue to the Nth degree, such an article would add nothing.

As I've said before it's all risible stuff, beyond parody, but at least Standinger now agrees with me that the figures Erwin said were Peruvian production; weren’t!

That's the 'conspiracy', a construct made of damp-paper, scribbled-on with wax-crayons by two infantile loons; one of lies and deceits, self-delusions, self-aggrandisement, arse-covering and Barry-bullshitting by two fucktards who contradict each-other and themselves.

And; can someone PLEASE show them how a spellchecker works - Christ; it's hard going!

Is that 14 pages of "diatribe drivel"? I hope so.

Original post

http://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=9096

C is for Crooning Liver'blokes

Or: M is for More Insects!

There was some anniversary the other day, a photograph book of some kind I believe, I wasn't following the minutiae of the business but I believe it involved that popular Merseyside beat-combo from the sixties - init'bluuurrd!

You see these (or - more usually - part sets of them) on evilBay from time to time and having covered most of the other examples of the plastic plectrum pluckers here at small scale musician's world; I leapt at the chance to shoot this set of bobble-headed, flat-fringed, suited & booted, boy-band'ers.

A tad fuzzy, I'm afraid; much as I remember their output! It's a bit like trying to photograph insects! "♫♪Whay-hey we're the . . .♪♫ ", oh-no - they were monkeys weren’t they!

You could almost use them as pencil tops, but they are quite heavy, so only advisable if you wanted your handwriting to read like one of Donald's tweets . . . WTF? The man's a loon, they elected a loon to the highest office in the land!

The only reason you can't hear the world laughing at the OOH-KAY is because they're laughing louder at the OOH-ess-AY!

Oi, Macca! There's a song in there somewhere?

Thanks to Adrian of Mercator Trading for allowing me to photograph these.